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Microsoft's 30GB Zune digital-media player will sell for $249 when it hits store shelves on Nov. 14, the company said Thursday as it released more details on the device.

The Zune's price will put it in direct competition with Apple Computer's latest 30GB iPod, which also costs $249.

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To introduce the companion Zune Pass music service, the device will come preloaded with songs, music videos and film shorts from the store. A Zune Pass will cost $14.99 a month, or $44.97 for three months.

"It's clear that we are not going to see a pricing war at this predictable moment. They are not going to undercut Apple's prices. But given the lack of volume discount and the screen size and the Wi-Fi capability included on it, $249 is still an aggressive price point," said Michael Gartenberg, research director at JupiterResearch.

There will also be the option of purchasing individual songs through a system called Microsoft Points. The new Microsoft cash system will work by adding money to an account, as with a prepaid phone card. Points will then be deducted from the account with each purchase. A single song will cost 79 points, "the equivalent of 99 cents," according to Microsoft spokeswoman Kyrsa Dixon.

The point system is already used in the Xbox Live Marketplace, and Microsoft plans to host other online stores where Microsoft points can be redeemed, according to Katy Gentes, product marketing manager for Zune. In the United States, points are available in denominations of $5 for 400 points, $15 for 1,200, $25 for 2,000 and $50 for 4,000. That makes $1 worth about 80 points.

Gentes said this system will enable Microsoft to sell retail gift cards of Microsoft points that could then be split over different Microsoft online stores. It will also act as a common global currency for Microsoft products, according to Gentes.

Microsoft said Zune software will play files in several popular formats, including the AAC format used by Apple's iTunes software.

"Zune software can automatically import your existing music, pictures and videos from iTunes and Windows Media Player in a variety of formats, including your existing playlists and song ratings, as permitted by the online service from which it was purchased," Microsoft said in a statement, clarifying in a footnote that the music files must be "in unprotected WMA, MP3, AAC (formats); photos in JPEG; and videos in WMV, MPEG-4, H.264."

That means that although songs purchased from the iTunes Store are barred by digital rights management (DRM) restrictions from being moved, songs that were originally ripped from a CD and uploaded to a computer with iTunes software may be able to be copied onto the Zune.

Apple did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

"What we tried to do is recognize that consumers have a lot of files that might not be WMA. They have MP3 or AACs because they may have ripped CDs into those files. We want to make it easy for them to bring them into the Zune, if they have the rights. And we just import them as AAC (or MP3) files. They don't change. We are supporting all those different formats and codecs," Gentes said.

"The real magic would have been if they had a way of importing protected AAC files, and people could make the transition," JupiterResearch's Gartenberg's said. "It won't work with purchased music from Urge or Rhapsody or Napster, for example. It's interesting, but it's not really a game changer, one way or the other, and not something that I think will drive iPod users over to the platform."

As previously reported, the Zune will come in black, brown and white. It will have wireless capability that lets people share music, playlists and photos from one Zune to another, and it will feature an FM tuner and a 3-inch LCD screen. The Zune will hold 7,500 songs, 25,000 pictures or 100 hours of video, and it will come with a set of earphones, as well as a sync cable and a device sleeve.

Microsoft also released details on Thursday on the Zune's three accessory kits.

The $99 Zune home pack hooks the device into one's entertainment system. It includes an A/V output cable, a Zune dock, a wireless remote, a Zune sync cable and an AC adapter. The $99 Zune Travel Pack includes earphones, a Zune dual-connect remote, a gear bag, a sync cable and an AC adapter. For a car, there is $79 kit that comes with a charger and an FM Tuner with AutoSeek.

All of the accessories from the kits will also be sold individually as well. The cables are each priced at about $20. The AC adapter, gear bag, wireless dock remote and wireless dual-connect remote sell for $30 each. The dock and earphones cost $40 each, while the car charger costs $25, and the FM Tuner with AutoSeek costs $69.

All of this means that Microsoft's marketing department has its work cut out for it, Gartenberg said.

"At the end of the day, it's not going to be price that drives people to Zune," he said. "It's going to be feature set versus feature set, and form factor versus form factor, and the ability for Microsoft to start marketing this to win the hearts and minds of consumers."

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30GB, not 30MB
by camillelambert September 28, 2006 7:35 AM PDT
It must be 30 Gigabytes, not Megabytes (in the title)
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WMAPro?
by jasmoto September 28, 2006 7:40 AM PDT
Got possibly a silly question, but will the Zune play WMAPro files?

I'm thinking of switching from AAC to WMAPro.
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No thanks. I prefer to avoid DRM He11
by rcrusoe September 28, 2006 7:48 AM PDT
Zune wraps DRM on ALL your files. That fact alone insures that I will never own one of these.

It will be interesting to see if MS ends up in court over this. From what I've read, applying DRM to Creative Commons music is a copyright violation.

IMO, MS is going to have to drop the price a lot more if they want to unload this things.
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Uh oh!
by Nubasaurus September 28, 2006 8:24 AM PDT
It comes in brown... so that automatically means you can only find them in brown, right? Oh wait, forgot that it's an ADDITIONAL color to the other colors and you don't ever have to buy a brown one. Of course all MS haters like to bash an OPTIONAL color because they have nothing geniune to complain about?
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All news about Zune hasn't been trustworthy
by MikeCerm September 28, 2006 8:44 AM PDT
I don't trust Forbes. Even when accurate, their articles seem to have a great amount of editorial bias, or at least more than I'd care for in news.

It was widely reported that Zune may attach DRM to non-DRM'd files. These reports were all complete speculation, and not based on any news that ever came out of Microsoft.

For all of Zune's development, there's been a lot of group-think, echo-chamber reporting. An editorial would say, "Microsoft should do this," and the bloggers would start blogging about it. Then, it would appear in "legit" news stories as, "Microsoft is expected to do this."
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Good Pricing.
by toosday September 28, 2006 8:49 AM PDT
That's a great price for what you get. It won't work on a Mac, so I can't buy it. But, heck, I'd like to.

There isn't a PMP that works on a Mac that has those features and felxibility. And we're stuck with only the iPod, which kind of sucks.
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Yawn
by urbanvoyeur September 28, 2006 8:50 AM PDT
Huge. Ugly color. No price advantage over iPod.

Confusing point system. Subcription model that hasn't worked for anyone else.

Yawn. Pass. i'll stick to my iPods.
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$40 headphones?
by jlungu September 28, 2006 8:56 AM PDT
So the Zune doesn't come w/ headphones? You have to buy them separately?? Man are they gouging people with the accessories. If I buy a music player I expect to be able to use it out-of-the-box. Do I have to buy a dock to d/l music to it from my computer as well?

Ridiculous ...
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Zune points?
by solomonrex September 28, 2006 9:00 AM PDT
Do we need another card and new money for everything? Is there an accounting reason here, or just trying to convince us that we're not spending actual money? And why aren't they XBL points? I don't get it.
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New Points System isn't New
by engzr016 September 28, 2006 9:30 AM PDT
The so-called new points system isn't new at all. People have been using it on X-Box Live for quite a while. The Zune seems to have been a long time comming since the points system was already in place as many other in place current services.
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Price per point?
by dawho9 September 28, 2006 9:54 AM PDT
Anyone care to share that one with everyone?
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Add a browser...
by PhilCosby September 28, 2006 11:45 AM PDT
and I'll be interested.
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Huh?
by tcarreon September 28, 2006 1:18 PM PDT
Where have you been living? iPod only works with a Mac? Any iPod will work with windows (thanks to 3rd party tools) and newer iPods work with windows out of the box.

The zune doesn't seem to have anything great about it. Microsoft missed a chance by making a portable player that would compete with the Nano, but instead went for the iPod with the smaller adoptee rate. Yeah sharing is maybe the one feature that could hurt the iPod but i'm sure microsoft loused that up as well.

And 79 points = 99 cents? Maybe there's a formula in excel that will help me keep track of that...
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Real Click Wheel or just push buttons?
by Yet Another Mark Johnson September 28, 2006 1:21 PM PDT
I've owned several mp3 players and absolutely hated the "push button" based navigation on every one of them (click a "down arrow" once to scroll from one artist to the next, tap it a bunch of times to scroll down several, etc.) until i bought my current iPod Nano. Does anyone know if Microsoft will use a "real" wheel on the Zune or is it just another unit with four buttons that just are layed out to look like a complete circle.

It's really amazing to me that there are now a bunch of devices that try this gimmick. Look at the LG Chocolate phone or any number of mp3 players out there and they've gone to great lengths to make sure their buttons LOOK like a real wheel. But as far as I know, only the iPod really lets you "scroll continuously" the way a wheel mouse lets you scroll on a long webpage. Actually the Rio Carbon did too, and the original Rio Riot. Strange that almost no manufacturers have been willing to go up against Apple and implement a "real" scrolling type of interface. Sure Apple's lawyers would jump on them, but in the end Apple wouldn't have a leg to stand on, the Rio RIot had a scroll wheel way before the iPod came out. I'd think even Steve Jobs would have a tough time convincing a jury he actually invented the wheel!
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yea
by emagdnim015 September 28, 2006 2:00 PM PDT
the manufacturers of the MP3 players could easily create a program
for OSX to transfer songs, but they dont (to my knowledge)
because most people who own apple computers use iPods. it
wouldnt be profitable for the companies to design the software.
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Can it get a virus and spyware?
by Drewzilla September 28, 2006 2:39 PM PDT
Can it get a virus and spyware?
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Only work on windows
by rslc September 28, 2006 3:25 PM PDT
Can't use on Mac.
Can't play on other devices.
No flash players to use.

At least apple's iTunes can use used on both mac and windows and already has ishuffle, nano and new itv.

Its another Microsoft monopoly building up.
Beware.

I don't own an ipod.
And i still prefer ipod+itunes.
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Who Cares?
by kyle172 September 28, 2006 8:52 PM PDT
Who cares for this peice of crap it looks a retarded child
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No Thanks, I'll Pass on Zune. iPod is it, Zune is ....!
by bsn September 28, 2006 8:58 PM PDT
Attention Microsoft,

No thanks! I'm sticking with Apple iPod, its been nearly flawless.
That is alot more than I can say for any Microsoft product that I
have owned or operated. I'm fed up with your crapy code, viruses,
bugs, crashing, and ..... Why, why, why would I consider buying
something else from Microsoft? NO THANKS. Apple already has the
best product in the space and we all know it.
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Zune & Amazon.com Unboxed
by jmarszal September 29, 2006 6:11 AM PDT
Will Zune play the WMVs I get from Amazon.com's Unboxed downloads?
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