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The error would not have escaped detection during the certification process that validates the election results and does not even come close to changing the outcome, said Carlo LoParo, director of media and voter services for the Ohio Secretary of State's office.
"Both campaigns have thoroughly scrutinized the numbers after election day before making their decisions," LoParo said.
Scrutiny of the unofficial results posted to the Board of Elections Web site in Franklin County uncovered that Bush had received 3,893 extra votes. Bush's preliminary total is actually 365, the Associated Press stated.
The document summarizing the unofficial tallies could no longer be accessed via the Web site late Friday.
LoParo referred questions about the particular incident to Franklin County, where the error occurred. Representatives of the Board of Elections for that county did not return numerous phone calls seeking comment.
According to the preliminary results posted by the Ohio Secretary of State's office, Bush garnered 136,483 more votes in the state than Sen. John Kerry, and while 155,428 provisional ballots remain to be counted, the likelihood of Kerry closing the gap remains remote. Subtracting the nearly 4,000 votes granted to Bush's campaign does not change those odds.
However, the mistake is one of the latest minor errors that have marred the performance of electronic voting machines during an election that was heavily scrutinized.
A county in North Carolina lost more than 4,500 votes because officials had thought the memory that stored ballots electronically could hold more data than it did, stated a report by the Associated Press.
Computer scientists and voting advocates have criticized the current crop of electronic voting machines for lacking strong security measures. While election officials have maintained that the voting systems are perfectly secure when used as intended, critics have pointed out that the machines generally have not made electronic voting more transparent. Some critics have pushed for paper ballots to be printed by the machines to create a better audit trail.
Such problems, however, caused far less of a problem than registration issues. Of more than 30,000 problems that voters encountered this week, only 6 percent were due to machines, while nearly a third were blamed on voter-register issues, according to voting watchdog group VerifiedVoting.org's incident database.
However, President Bush's extra votes in the key state of Ohio has grabbed the attention of election watchers.
Franklin County uses a direct recording electronic (DRE) voting machine manufactured by industrial equipment maker Danaher Corp. An official of that company maintained that the mistake would have been caught during the election certification process, or canvass, and corrected in the verified totals.
Some electronic voting experts argue that the glitch should have been caught right away.
"I definitely don't consider it to be minor," said David Wagner, assistant professor of computer science at the University of California, Berkeley. While the mistake didn't affect the election results, he added that "this is the kind of error that a well-designed voting system should never be subject to."
Wagner explained that correction codes could have prevented the problem, or at least made it obvious to election officials.
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Anything that could potentially manipulate elections matters, a lot. Wake up
Anything that could potentially manipulate elections matters, a lot. Wake up
Thanks News.com for stating the whole story!
Thanks News.com for stating the whole story!
Every voting error needs to found and corrected.
A poll at a major national paper showed that 56% of those polled were unhappy with the election results.
That, with the reported voting errors, and the exit polls that don't match in states using electronic voting with no paper trail, and other voting anomolies says 'something fishy going on here".
We must make certain that every vote counts, that the malfunctioning machines are found, results corrected, and credited to the correct candidate.
Remember, it's the Bush bunch who paid the companies who make those machines.
Be Vigilant ! Our democracy is in danger of being lost to voting machines that can't be audited, or whose companies won't allow the code to be checked for glitches, accidental and deliberate.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/4/224812/643
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/#breaking
http://www.infernalpress.com/Columns/election.html
http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Pres_Election_04/html/new_10_21_04.html , Bush Supporters Still Believe Iraq Had WMD or Major Program,Supported al Qaeda
irreversible? Perhaps an independent audit is
warranted. Maybe we can still save this country.
I will pray.
Every voting error needs to found and corrected.
A poll at a major national paper showed that 56% of those polled were unhappy with the election results.
That, with the reported voting errors, and the exit polls that don't match in states using electronic voting with no paper trail, and other voting anomolies says 'something fishy going on here".
We must make certain that every vote counts, that the malfunctioning machines are found, results corrected, and credited to the correct candidate.
Remember, it's the Bush bunch who paid the companies who make those machines.
Be Vigilant ! Our democracy is in danger of being lost to voting machines that can't be audited, or whose companies won't allow the code to be checked for glitches, accidental and deliberate.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/4/224812/643
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/#breaking
http://www.infernalpress.com/Columns/election.html
http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Pres_Election_04/html/new_10_21_04.html , Bush Supporters Still Believe Iraq Had WMD or Major Program,Supported al Qaeda
irreversible? Perhaps an independent audit is
warranted. Maybe we can still save this country.
I will pray.
companies selling these systems, but also the companies
producing the actual software and the people that work for
these companies. Deibold is a big one. Maybe the most well
known. but what about looking at some of the other companies
like Enfocom International Corp (www.enfocom.com) , a
Canadian company producing e-
voting terminals and e-voting software called 'WINVote' for US
company Advanced Voting Systems. (www.advancedvoting.com)
More transparency will equate to better systems and lead to
higher voter confidence.
companies selling these systems, but also the companies
producing the actual software and the people that work for
these companies. Deibold is a big one. Maybe the most well
known. but what about looking at some of the other companies
like Enfocom International Corp (www.enfocom.com) , a
Canadian company producing e-
voting terminals and e-voting software called 'WINVote' for US
company Advanced Voting Systems. (www.advancedvoting.com)
More transparency will equate to better systems and lead to
higher voter confidence.
Go here - http://www.therandirhodesshow.com/todays_show.html
Go here - http://www.blackboxvoting.org
please go to
Go here - http://www.therandirhodesshow.com/todays_show.html
Go here - http://www.blackboxvoting.org
please go to
Republican candidate? That and the fact that the guy who owns
the company that makes the electronic voting machines just
happens to be a Republican is just a little too coincidental for
me.
Republican candidate? That and the fact that the guy who owns
the company that makes the electronic voting machines just
happens to be a Republican is just a little too coincidental for
me.
Be sure to play their one-minute "animation"
a movie showing how easy it is to "monkey around"
with the voting machine audit reports (records of who did what, and when, with the voting records!).
If there is a hell, the lying, stealing cheating mass murderer named Bush has front row tickets.
one-min. movie linked from the site; a direct link to it is http://blackboxvoting.org/baxter/baxterVPR.mov
Be sure to play their one-minute "animation"
a movie showing how easy it is to "monkey around"
with the voting machine audit reports (records of who did what, and when, with the voting records!).
If there is a hell, the lying, stealing cheating mass murderer named Bush has front row tickets.
one-min. movie linked from the site; a direct link to it is http://blackboxvoting.org/baxter/baxterVPR.mov
subversion of the Constitution -- and also a major federal
crime. Can we allow a criminal and a traitor to remain in the
White House and be Commander-in-Chief? Only the cynical
will say "That's how we always elect Presidents -- through
rigged votes." In that case, what part of our Constitution
and laws are actually meant to be taken literally? Why pay
taxes? The story about the "small frauds" here and there are
just the TIP OF THE ICEBERG. This is a story that is just
beginning to surface -- and it will certainly lead to a
change in our leadership. HOW CAN IT NOT?
S Novym Godom, of course!
I lost your contact numbers, after a crazy 2004 for me.
I am back in SF Bay Area, my phone number is 510-595-7457.
Hope for your renewed contact.
Volodya
subversion of the Constitution -- and also a major federal
crime. Can we allow a criminal and a traitor to remain in the
White House and be Commander-in-Chief? Only the cynical
will say "That's how we always elect Presidents -- through
rigged votes." In that case, what part of our Constitution
and laws are actually meant to be taken literally? Why pay
taxes? The story about the "small frauds" here and there are
just the TIP OF THE ICEBERG. This is a story that is just
beginning to surface -- and it will certainly lead to a
change in our leadership. HOW CAN IT NOT?
S Novym Godom, of course!
I lost your contact numbers, after a crazy 2004 for me.
I am back in SF Bay Area, my phone number is 510-595-7457.
Hope for your renewed contact.
Volodya
1. Diebold is republican. Don't you think it is odd that every error so far due to e-voting went in bushes favor?
2. A lot of areas that use these machines are not printing out each ballot. This is a serious problem. The local precincts can report whatever they want and there is nothing substantial to prove or disprove it. Add this to #1 and our democracy is in danger of toppling.
Our election process is under a dark shadow of doubt. Democracy can not exist under such circumstances.
- Official balloting counts were corrected!
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by elhs
November 7, 2004 9:29 AM PST
- Yes, an error was made in reporting a ballot count, and that error was found and corrected in the final official ballot tallies. What part of that process was so wrong? None that I can see. The counting of ballots cast is much less a problem than voter fraud due to provisional ballots, multi-state absentee ballot voting, ballots with candidates being omitted, media exit poll reporting...
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November 7, 2004 7:07 PM PST
- The fact is that electronic voting is far worse then the old system due to several factors.
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See all 48 Comments >>1. Diebold is republican. Don't you think it is odd that every error so far due to e-voting went in bushes favor?
2. A lot of areas that use these machines are not printing out each ballot. This is a serious problem. The local precincts can report whatever they want and there is nothing substantial to prove or disprove it. Add this to #1 and our democracy is in danger of toppling.
Our election process is under a dark shadow of doubt. Democracy can not exist under such circumstances.