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As with Vista, Microsoft hopes to finish the code for Office 2007 this year. The company said work will be completed by October, when it will make Office 2007 available to business customers that have signed up for Microsoft's volume-licensing program.
And, again like Vista, Microsoft plans to ship retail and original equipment manufacturer versions of the product in January.
"We believe this will provide an easier experience for consumers and retailers alike," a Microsoft representative said in an e-mail to CNET News.com.
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Microsoft is making major changes to Office, which will feature all-new XML-based file formats, as well as a
By pushing out the Office launch date, however, Microsoft will regain the ability to launch the two products in tandem. Microsoft had been planning a massive fourth-quarter launch for the products.
Earlier on Thursday, Microsoft announced that it would
The change in launch timing for Office 2007 was noted earlier Thursday by JupiterResearch analyst Joe Wilcox on
Microsoft in November had released an initial test version of Office 2007, then known by its Office 12 code name. A
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in the world makes money of this crap. Not only does Microsoft
make faulty software, but they take a LONG time in making it.
Microsoft is trully one of a kind. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple
gets a big lead this year, being that I dont think alot of people want
to buy new PCs with a 5 year old OS
though about people not wanting to buy a new PC with a 5 year old
OS...but they will.
I don't think the average consumer knows or even cares about
Vista. They'll snap up the latest POS from Dell and think they got a
good deal completely oblivious to the fact that it's "Windows
Performance Rating" is a 3.
release. Apple leaves old software by the side of the road (want
to run an OS 9 program on an Intel Mac).
And of course it will be 2007 before Adobe updates CS to Intel -
which is an incredibly important program in the Mac market.
The real question is which stance benefits the consumer. I think
it might actually be Apple's. There are few PC programs that
make use of XP, but a substantial number of Mac programs
make use of Tiger. MS is better for developers.
Whether it will cause anyone to switch : It's applications like iLife
that do that, rather than the Dashboard.
The upgrades we're doing is to OpenOffice as we get more PCs.
Now that's an upgrade! Opens corrupted Word documents, creates .pdf etc. and its free. Get it at http://www.openoffice.org and guess what? there's even a new version 2.0.2. There will most likely be several new versions again before Office 2007 really ships.
Those who really need Excel get our remaining Office licenses and we give Open Office to everyone (even those with MS Office). Open Office is now in our standard configuration
has a (long) way to go - though it is nice for its intended purpose
and I perfer Keynote to PowerPoint (as do many others). In terms
of Vista, however, a *very* different story. As had been stated
several times before, no where does there exist a better multi-
media suite of applications than iLife. Since that appears to be
about the only thing left in Vista (besides the fancy new GUI and
security that should have been there to begin with) I'd say Apple is
quite compelling.
boxes with a nice GUI and that's about all."
Exactly! Nothing but a nice GUI and a pretty box. Well, OS X
already has all the features that Vista supposedly will have
(whenever it actually shows up)...but that's it!
A nice GUI, a pretty box, and all the features of Vista...and better
security. No need for anti-virus/trojan/malware software...but
that's it!
A nice GUI, a pretty box, all the Vista features, better
security...and iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD, iWeb, and Garageband free
with a new computer purchase...but that's all!
A nice GUI, a pretty box, all the Vista features, better security,
iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD, iWeb, Garageband...and Automator (which
puts a GUI on script writing so mere mortals can write complex
scripts for automating tasks), a 3d graphing calculator for
students, Frontrow media center software with remote...but
thats it!
A nice GUI, a pretty box, all the Vista features, better security,
iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD, iWeb, Garageband, Automator, a 3d
graphing calculator, Frontrow media center with remote...and
Bonjour automatic network discovery, Apple Mail for email,
Safari for safe secure internet browsing with built-in RSS
detection, searchable summaries and organization, a dictionary,
thesaurus and address book integrated throughout the OS,
expose for window management, Dashboard for widgets, iChat
with video teleconferencing capability for up to 3 additional
people, parental controls, UNIX architecture with X11...but thats
it!
At least off the top of my head lol.
XGrid, grid computing. Something everything is trying to get into. Apple just made it easy for anyone to create there own clusters, locally and remotely.
IChatAV ... gee, can't think of a single piece of Microsoft software that competes. By itself, I guess it's not a barnstormer. Oh but wait, every single part of OSX (iChat, SpotLight, Quartz, Core, Speech [recognition and synthesis], are available via the run-time system.
MSDN Universal Subscription app. 3k, Apple OSX Developer kit ... free.
Yeah, they have nothing compelling to sell if you know nothing about them. By the way, I am speaking from a grass-roots point of view.
From a consumers point, Parental Controls for Safari, iChat, iTunes, etc. Seamless integration for iTunes, GarageBand, iDVD, iMovie, Pages, KeyNote, Mail, iChat. Ever seen Automator? I created a scheduled backup, for project files, without typing a single line of code, not one.
You HAVE to be ignorant of the facts, if you even REMOTELY think that Apple has nothing compelling to sell.
Fricking incredible, or is it incredulous.
Some people say that OO just cannot be that good. Well, look at this way. MS delivers a product late and still expects you to pay $300 or $400 for it. Then you have to purchase Adobe Acrobat at a a cost of about $300 to create a PDF file. So those 2 programs cost about $700 total. OO costs nothing.
After the initial release of Windows XP (soon to be known as Windows XP SP1, the SP1 meaning Service Pack 1) there were finally so many patches and updates that an entire new CD had to be created and released called Windows XP "SP2." If anyone looks at the series of patches and updates released now, you will see that almost every one of them since the relase of SP2 has now been grouped into a list within the Installed Updates on Windows XP computers as "SP3!" And that list of patches and updates continues to grow monthly.
It does not ultimately surprise me (and I suspect many others who work on computers) that Windows Vista has been delayed until January 2007 (at least!) In the interim, I would hope that Microsoft would realize that unless they want Windows Vista SP2 through whatever someday, they need to update, patch, and test the operating system right up to the morning that they burn the CD or DVD. That way, we won't all be downloading 10 to 15 patches and updates as soon as we install the CD from the Windows Vista packaging. Microsoft needs to release a "final" version of Vista (operating system or office) that is as really up to date as possible!
can't even get the OS right..
http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Computing/Platforms?Article=/
Computing/Platforms/R7G5G6U4
It's worth a read.
So, let's see. Vista is now scheduled to be about three years late. Let's take a SWAG and say they have only been working on it for 36 months, and now need 60% more time to produce something they can call Vista. That's about 22 months, but they say they will have it ready by January.
Forget about the rule of waiting on SP1 to upgrade. IMO, that will be way too soon for this puppy.
Think about it for a second, how many lines of code are there in Vista? How much of that code is already established good code (eg: from the NT 3.1/NT 3.5/NT 3.51/NT 4.9/W2K/Server 2003 lineage)? A claim of needing to rewrite 60% of the code just doesn't ring true at all.
Where is the incentive for them to really improve their products?
Not only in a timely manner but quality wise as well?? They really
have no competition. Linux has less than 5% marketshare same
with Apple.
Microsoft knows they've locked up most of its customers. So
they could take their sweet time between product
announcements. Throwing us a bone occasionally to satisfy the
critics. Unfortunately those bones are just hype and hot air.
I mean the only reason they released XP was to have something
out to compete with Apple's OS X.. To hold public mindshare..
not because it actually was secure or great as it was being
touted.. cause it wasn't, when it was first released... actually I
never understood why they called XP, either..
Point is..
If we continue to reward MS by buying its products we will
continue to give them the power to dictate how this industry
moves (which is at a snails pace for them) and that doesn't bode
well for true innovation..
Could you imagine if they would have succeeded at buying
Google. We would have been in very big trouble folks cause they
would have messed that up too..
Well I say no more... as responsible pc consumers there is no
better time to start boycotting their products.. we have to start
somewhere.. or this industry will be standing still and not
moving forward..
The FACT is MS has no monopoly in office software, as the Open Office people will proudly remind you over and over and over and over again. If the delivery date is slipping, its because things are just taking them longer than expected. Development is not like stuffing envelopes where you know you can do X per hour. Release dates are just best guesses as to when you'll be able to release the product.
1 - It fell on it's ass due to capacity problems
2 - It only helps 10% of the world's internet population as it only works in Firefox
Tried to open two MS WOrd documents. Runs sloweer than
molasses in December. Got some sort of Java error once.The other
times, it just stalled out.
Thus, it is no good at all. Might be a good idea for some, but I'll
pass on this one.
MS Office at least works.
btw, it's rude to SPAM CNET's forums.
Say your internet goes out, now you lost your word processor. Some things are just not meant to work that way. Now if it hosted an applet or somethign that was pushed to the local machine and cached but then it wouldn't be AJAX now would it....
it is going to be nearly six years late cf to its nearest competitor.
SIX YEARS. Microsoft ought to be thoroughly ashamed of
themselves for such appalling tardiness in getting modern day
computing technology out.
Looking at how terrible they are making the Office interface, maybe
it isn't such a bad thing that it too is going to be late. 12 versions
and the UI it is still going to be utter rubbish. *12* versions.
SIX YEARS."
It's nearest competitor? To me, it's nearest competitor would have more than 5% of the market. 5% is more like an "also ran." I'm sure MS is worried that Apple will get another percentage point or two during this lapse. <rolls eyes>
If MS released office early, all the SAME PEOPLE ranting up a storm over the release date being postponed would instead be ranting up a storm about all the 'bugs' in the system and saying MS should have waited.
And anyone who's been on these boards for a while KNOWS I'm right.
If the rest of the world wants to rely on a slow, cumbersome Open Office by choice or because of stupid laws - well good for them. Those that don't will have a nice small competive edge using MS office.
competition to Office. Maybe in another year or so....
Here is someone shooting crap about "XCode, ever look at it? The run-time system is far more advanced than .NETs CLR. The IDE, is well, different, but guess what, it supports distributed builds. Can you say that about the .NET IDE, or Microsoft studio IDE?
XGrid, grid computing. Something everything is trying to get into. Apple just made it easy for anyone to create there own clusters, locally and remotely.
IChatAV ... gee, can't think of a single piece of Microsoft software that competes. By itself, I guess it's not a barnstormer. Oh but wait, every single part of OSX (iChat, SpotLight, Quartz, Core, Speech [recognition and synthesis], are available via the run-time system.
MSDN Universal Subscription app. 3k, Apple OSX Developer kit ... free.
Yeah, they have nothing compelling to sell if you know nothing about them. By the way, I am speaking from a grass-roots point of view.
From a consumers point, Parental Controls for Safari, iChat, iTunes, etc. Seamless integration for iTunes, GarageBand, iDVD, iMovie, Pages, KeyNote, Mail, iChat. Ever seen Automator? I created a scheduled backup, for project files, without typing a single line of code, not one." and yet with all of this 90% plus marketshare is reportedly using these MS "crap"; what is the explanation for this. Now; from the standpoint of certain international business interests... what can "iTunes, GarageBand, iDVD, iMovie, Pages, KeyNote, Mail, iChat..." do for those that are looking for functionalities that would address ERR, DCFROR et cetera, et cetera (if you do know what these are about), Why not stop bashing and develop your "own" products and have a significant percentage of the 90% plus market share start using your products! Why not explain to the thousands of GM workers who may be looking for "new jobs" soon how they can use your products beneficially. You can bet your bottom dollar that I may just be using and selling the products if they have got what I need. Get real folks!
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27292
And stop complaining about a good thing. Or, try AjaxWrite. Maybe Word Perfect? I'm tired of getting my e-mail servers bombarded with viruses from Microsoft Office using losers.
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by aperson123456
May 27, 2006 2:06 AM PDT
- The reason windows has had such problems with vista is the MS philosophy which is either "program less, charge more" or "troubleshoot less, charge more." Either is sufficient for microsoft. Not only is windows way overdue for an overhaul the whole DOS thing is retarded. Its like a severed, infected appendage just hanging there, i really wish they would just cut it off at least. I played around with some vista betas a few months ago, and all i can tell in a nutshell from it is that microsoft vista is just microsoft xp with a 3d desktop. Someone please correct me if im wrong. Moreso i think microsoft would like to retire from programming and just continue to charge people subscription fees. Not only does it charge people lots of money, it then uses them to beta test for free, and not only that they really didnt change anything beside the gui to begin with or they just stole the software from another company anyway, all of which under the pretense of caring and trying to "produce" great software. I say give me a break! I realize im exaggerating a bit, and i do mean only a bit, but seriously when the richest software company in the world produces relatively the most crappy software theres a problem. I think based on the plethera of money that microsoft has they could at least utilize it...maybe at half the efficiency of google, or would that be too much to ask?
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