Senate shields phone companies from spy lawsuits
Editor's note: This story was updated at 12:23 p.m. PST to add more information about the Senate votes and the upcoming House action, and at 2:56 p.m. PST to add information about the final vote.
In a setback for privacy and civil liberties groups, the U.S. Senate on Tuesday voted to protect telephone and Internet companies from lawsuits alleging illegal cooperation with government spy agencies.
By a 31-67 vote, senators failed to approve a Democratic-sponsored amendment that would have allowed lawsuits against AT&T and other telecommunication companies accused of illegal activities to continue. Because the broader bill being considered currently includes retroactive immunity for those companies--something that President Bush had personally requested--scores of pending legal challenges, including high-profile cases against AT&T and Verizon, are likely to disappear if the entire Congress ultimately approves it.
No Republicans voted for the amendment, but 18 Democrats joined the body's Republicans and Independent Sen. Joe Lieberman to vote against it. Then, around 3pm PT, the entire Senate voted by a 68-29 margin to approve the legislation with retroactive immunity included.
Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.), who cosponsored the unsuccessful amendment with Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wisc.), said it's dangerous to "grant that retroactive immunity without insisting the courts, as they're designed to do, determine the legality or illegality of this program."
But Sen. Kit Bond (R-Mo.), ranking member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, argued the immunity is an "essential" part of the bill. "If we permit the carriers who may or may not have participated in this to be sued in court, then the most important partners the government has, the private sector, will be discouraged from assisting us in the future," he said just before the vote.
The bill is designed to replace a temporary expansion of a spy law, known as the Protect America Act, which is set to expire February 16. The Bush administration in recent weeks has been pressuring Congress to make the PAA more expansive and permanent. In addition, the president has threatened to veto any bill that does not fully immunize telephone companies from legal action.
The debate goes back to a New York Times report in late 2005 that the president had authorized the National Security Agency to conduct wiretaps, allegedly involving Americans' conversations and Internet communications, without a court order. The news ultimately led to proposed changes to a 1978 law known as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA.
Members of both political parties generally agree that some updates to FISA are necessary to reflect changing technologies. What has divided politicians, however, is how much unchecked surveillance authority to give the attorney general and what to do about lawsuits against private companies who have been accused of cooperating with the feds' warrantless eavesdropping regime.
The Senate bill, which has already been approved by the Senate Intelligence Committee by a 13-2 vote, contains broad language immunizing not only telephone companies, but Web sites, e-mail providers and more, from lawsuits.
That immunity would apply both to future lawsuits and to any suits filed during the period from September 11, 2001, to January 17, 2007, the day the Justice Department announced that the secret NSA program would be revamped and brought under the scrutiny of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.
Civil liberties groups were quick to blast the latest vote. Caroline Fredrickson, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's Washington office, said the move amounted to "a get-out-of-jail-free card" and a "multimillion dollar favor" for the telephone companies. (The ACLU, for its part, has been actively involved in filing such suits.)
The Senate on Tuesday morning also rejected a handful of amendments designed to increase checks on government spy programs.
By a 35-63 vote, politicians defeated a Democratic amendment designed to set a higher legal standard for wiretapping of communications between Americans and their overseas friends, family members, and business colleagues. The pending bill would allow the attorney general to authorize collection of foreign intelligence information without a court warrant for up to a year so long as the target was "reasonably believed to be located outside the United States," but civil liberties groups have argued that's far too permissive.
Republicans and some Democrats, including Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman John Rockefeller (D-W.V.), however, said they strongly opposed the proposal, arguing it would make it too difficult to listen in on foreign terrorists who happen to be on U.S. soil.
The Senate also rejected by a 30-68 vote an amendment proposed by Senators Arlen Specter (R-Penn.) and Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) that attempted to broker a sort of compromise on the legal immunity question.
That proposal would have "substituted" government attorneys for telecommunications companies being sued, which supporters said would allow court scrutiny of government spying programs to continue without putting corporations in a difficult position. But opponents contended that was a bad idea because the government can already be sued directly and because it would have put "sensitive" intelligence information at risk.
Now that the Senate has approved its version of the legislation, it will still have to be reconciled with the House of Representatives' version, which does not grant immunity to telephone and Internet companies.
It wasn't immediately clear whether the House would be willing to back down on that provision. But with a veto threat looming if a bill is passed without corporate immunity, it seems unlikely that the House will be able to keep its approach intact. An aide to House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) said leaders are discussing how they will move forward but was unable to provide any details on what options are being considered.
Still, Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.), the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and a co-sponsor of the House's spy law rewrite, issued a statement Tuesday that said the Senate's vote for corporate "amnesty" is not justified by documents about the NSA program supplied by the Bush administration so far.
Some House Democrats signaled, in a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on January 28, that they believe the Senate bill is perfectly "satisfactory" and should be approved without any substantial changes.
In a new letter to White House general counsel Fred Fielding, Conyers renewed his request for complete documentation about the so-called Terrorist Surveillance Program, including "agreements or understandings between the White House, the Department of Justice, the National Security Agency, or any other entity of the Executive Branch and telecommunications companies, Internet service providers, equipment manufacturers, or data processors regarding criminal or civil liability for assisting with or participating in warrantless electronic surveillance program(s)."
News.com's Declan McCullagh contributed to this report
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Not only do I want the phone companies sued but I want a listing of all calls listened to, starting with those that actually yielded information that our enemies don't know we have. It is simply un-American and unfair of us to combat them without first telling them that we have discovered their next domestic attack.
I wonder if that is why they call them "clandestine" agencies?
If the preznit has to get warrants from the FISA court, he might not be able to spy on anti-war protesters or civil liberties groups!
If your [sic] not doing anything wrong, then you don't have to worry. Just shut up, support the coming war with Iran and be a good consumer. If you voice an opinion contrary to the preznit then you'll get sent to gitmo which is where you belong! No courts, no hearings, no evidence, because giving people a fair trial and letting them present exculpatory evidence is dangerous.
line to demand information from the telcos when the next terrorist
attack happens on Obama's or Clinton's watch. Of course because
the Dems would be asking for the information that would make it
completely reasonable and in the nation's security interests.
You see it's all about who's in power, not whether something is
legal or not. It's politics simply put.
that not matter anymore? If we can simply ignore laws whats next?
Torturing of prisoners? Revealing undercover agent identities?
So this law fails on the Constitutional front, and is ripe for a challenge by the ACLU or EFF.
Anyone that thinks they are safer today is a fool. More people just lined up to dig through the cookie jar.
do with this.Terrorists who want to kill you (regardless of how intelligent and educated you think you are) use our technologies
for the purpose of planning and staging attacks that ultimately
violate the ultimate civil liberty known as Life.
I personally am not concerned because I know that every four
years (Two Counting Congressional Elections) some ******* like
you will plant seven word sentences as a fear mongering tactic
to scare people into voting for your "Social Liberal Bull crap"
when in reality, it was your party who violated the civil liberties
of Americans at Waco and Ruby ridge and through the support of
needless infanticide (Abortion - for all of you dummies)
What happened to the rights of these children? Why aren't you
banner waiving for their rights if Civil Liberties are so important?
You are a deceitful Piece-of-S*** with a political agenda.
Boy how the political parties run from the real issues and plant
frivolous crap like yours. Lucky for you, more Americans are
getting dumber / or should I say numb, so you can get them
hooked on your little socialist big government handouts. Did you
forget, Welfare is a broken system that DOES NOT WORK.
GO AWAY - Intelligent and educated people do not buy it.
Should you not be over at TeenBop.com preaching to your MTV
idiot Pulpit.
The lawsuits are stupid and only helped the terrorists and criminals anyway.
Hey, Iraq needs a constitution. Why not send them ours--we're not using it.
Corporate america has far more rights than we do. You can bet that if any one of us did the same thing we would be Gitmo'd in a heartbeat. I think I hear taps playing ... must be for the constitution. Long live America - the land of the wire tapped, home of the impotent "leaders".
-ZD
The land of "Of the corporations, By the corporations, and FOR the corporations..."
Fact no one surveillance law has stopped a real threat yet! Meaning not one person who supplies these idiots has been taken out yet.
Plotters are a dime a dozen the folks providing funding, material aid, and training for these idiots are the real threat!
Our freedom, our constitution, our freedom to choose, our religious freedom, and our way of life is what these terrorist hate the most!
D~W
No, they already have been granted prospective immunity for future lawbreaking thanks to the Protect America Act. If you break the law, you go to jail. If corporations break the law, they change the law. Remember that when you vote Republican (and Democrat since they are the ones that have been rubber stamping this legislation since 2006).
Translation: We used the Constitution to blow our noses in yesterday. Tomorrow we intend to use it to wipe our ass.
How do we impeach our own Representatives?
How are they supposed to do deal with people who want to blow us up? I have no problems with them listening to calls to places like northern Pakistan, etc.
There have been MANY terrorist attempts over the past years, but most have been stopped.
A general question: do you think that these Militant Islamists would not have used a nuke on New York City if they had one? Of course they would have.
These people have their own Manhattan Project and it?s about destroying it. Good for Bush, Cheney and people that think and down with the defeatists who think we caused 9/11, etc and generally hate America.
We haven't had another 9/11 under his watch. The economy is really good, (check the GDP, interest rates, unemployment rates, and inflation) quarter after quarter. (Compare against other times in our history.) Gotta ***** about something.... I know we'll pretend foreign nationals have rights under the U.S. constitution. At the end of the day, they don't give a sh*t about your's or my constitutional rights, witness their outrage of our 1st and 2nd amendments constantly being trounced. (There isn't one.) They'd rather give a free pass to terrorists than give a sitting President of these United States the benefit of the doubt because....well he's a conservative.
All brain-activity was declared to have ceased when President Bush had to be smuggled into the Whitehouse (via the back door) due to the unprecedented Citizen-protests after the... ahem... "election".
Complete metabolic-failure was obvious when... bureaucratic-incompetence (NOT a lack of un-Constitutional surveillance-powers) allowed "9/11" to happen.
The Constitutional HEART of this nation was stopped by such illegal actions as the "USA-Patriot Act", the "Protect America Act", and "HR1955" (which actually criminalizes, such things as, simply, discussing how close America is to a civil-war).
Resuscitation was declared futile by warrantless-spying on Americans... the elimination of "Habeas Corpus"... the creation of kangaroo military tribunals... the suspension of ALL Constitution due-process (by illegally placing all government-authority into the unfettered-hands of the Executive-Branch)... the introduction of "torture" of suspects... and, by giving, corporate, special-interests absolute priority over the rights of citizens.
Rigor-Mortis set in when the President, repeatedly, LIED to drag America into the illegal, murderous, and unending, invasion of Iraq... and when the Congress and Senate (which were specifically put in office, by the American-People, to stop these criminal-abuses), instead of doing their job, actually capitulated with EVERY single one of this madmans, wildest-dreams.
The corpse (of the United States), was wheeled to the morgue by ever-present police-checkpoints... perennial video-surveillance... and those idiots that keep mindlessly-mumbling, "if you have nothing to hide...".
And, now, the pathologists are literally dissecting the body with "REAL-ID"... "retroactive immunity" for criminal co-conspirators... and the absolute refusal to even acknowledge the U.S. Constitution... the Rule Of Law... or, the will of the American-People.
My, personal, advice... if you have children, get them out of the country NOW... while you still can.
Gouvernment = Do what you want
Military = shut up and kill
It was different in the 80s in the US... does anyone remember ?
More respect, the echo of the millions of deaths in Vietnam still in memory. More personal freedom and privacy than today.
Bush's people are watching you :)
The only places I found anything were tech news sites. The New York Times apparently has something but you have to pay for it.
Other front pages seem strangely devoid of this.
Wonder if the tv news tonight mention anything...
news outlets in the country.
In fact, you get fired for trying to report the news, especially if you
won't report the fluff used to hide information from the rest of us.
This isn't conspiracy, its in fact a practice.
"A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defense against foreign danger have been always the instruments of tyranny at home. Among the Romans it was a standing maxim to excite a war, whenever a revolt was apprehended. Throughout all Europe, the armies kept up under the pretext of defending, have enslaved the people. "
"I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations."
- Democrats acting like Republicans
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by savagesteve13
February 15, 2008 7:33 AM PST
- I think I understand the strategy here though. Democrats are passing GOP laws for now, but when Obama is president they will roll back all these Soviet style paranoia laws enacted by the GOP since 1994.
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See all 82 Comments >>The GOP cannot be reformed. Its full of corporate ******, perverts, pedophiles, robber barons, religious nuts, and neoconservative trotskyite communists.
And to think they believe Ron Paul is crazy for talking about "liberty". We're screwed.