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July 23, 2007 10:24 PM PDT

Underscores are now word separators, proclaims Google

Photo of Matt Cutts from Google

Matt Cutts at WordCamp 2007

(Credit: Laughing Squid)
I got to enjoy Matt Cutts live and in person on Saturday speaking to the WordPress bloggers and fans at WordCamp 2007. Matt was in top form, witty as ever. The session was blogged by numerous folks. The sessions were all recorded, so, we hope, we should see a video of Matt's session surface online pretty soon. Matt said he'd probably be posting his Powerpoint to his blog, assuming he gets approval from Google's PR department.

One key development that Matt shared with the audience was that underscores in URLs are now (or at least very soon to be) treated as word separators by Google. That's great news, because it historically hasn't been that way. Back in 2005, Matt stated that Google did not view underscores in URLs as word separators. That meant that in a URL like http://www.mysite.com/iphone_review.html Googlebot couldn't "see" the words iphone or review. Instead it read iphone_review as one word. I wouldn't recommend targeting "iphone_review" as a keyword, as I doubt anyone will be including an underscore in their Google query.

So it used to be--until now--that any benefit that you would have gotten by having a keyword-rich URL was negated by the use of underscores separating those words. TypePad and Movable Type blogs were particularly affected by this, as by default, underscores were used instead of hyphens. This new change in the Google algorithm should make bloggers using the TypePad service or the Movable Type blog software (and anyone else using underscores in their URLs) very happy, as I anticipate their Google traffic will be going up.

A few other highlights from Matt's talk that you may find interesting:

  • Matt claims that Google treats URLs with a query string the same as static URLs. Caveat: as long as there are no more than two or three parameters in the URL, that is! Put another way, you won't take a hit in your Google rankings if you have a question mark in your URL; just don't have more than two or three equals signs in the URL.
  • Matt stated that the number of slashes in your URL (i.e. the number of directories deep your page is) isn't a factor in your Google rankings. He went on to say that although it doesn't matter for Google, it is rumored to matter for Yahoo and MSN (Live Search). Matt addressed this because I specifically asked the question from the audience.
  • According to Matt, the file extension in your URL won't affect your rankings. So it's inconsequential whether you use .php, .html, .htm, .asp, .aspx, .jsp etc. The one extension you should avoid for your Web documents? .exe.
  • Matt stated it was myth that Google uses its status as a domain registrar to access domain registration data to use it as a ranking signal. According to Matt, being a registrar doesn't grant one special access to other registrars' customer data. Note that Matt didn't state whether Google is or isn't using WHOIS data as a signal. I believe they are.
  • When asked about how to get one's blog into Google News, Matt shared one of Google's requirements for inclusion: the blog must have multiple authors. So those of you wanting your blog showing up in Google News results, I hope it's a group blog!

I was flattered that Matt Cutts gave me props twice in his presentation: first by recommending my WordPress plugin SEO Title Tag, and second by listing my blog optimization series as recommended reading. Matt even called me out in the audience. Thanks Matt! :-)

Originally posted at Searchlight
Stephan Spencer is the founder and president of Netconcepts, a Web agency specializing in e-commerce optimized for search engines. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network, and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure.
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Page Extensions
by quityourdayjob.com July 25, 2007 8:17 PM PDT
Rather than using a page extension like .html, .php, or .asp, I recommend using clean directory-style URL's e.g. mysite.com/keyword_rich_url/

The benefit of directory-style URLs is that it's platform independent. That way if you ever switch your site from .asp to .php, your URL's in Google's index won't change.

It may seem unlikely that this would ever happen, but I've talked to more than one webmaster who has run into this problem. Sure you can fix it with a 301 redirect, but your rankings could take a hit while your waiting for Google to get the new page into the index.
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MattCuttsStoopsLow
by ClintDixon July 30, 2007 1:18 PM PDT
Gee Matt Cutts and Google claim they now support underscores???

LOL

He must have decided to steal that information from this thread :-<

http://www.webproworld.com/google-discussion-forum/61674-underscores-word-separators-google.html#post330737

In this thread I point out the reasons computational systems have always supported underscores... including Google... and the reasons not to use hyphens.

They must think they invented the internet along with a certain mistaken political figure...
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by Andrew_Davis October 9, 2008 2:36 PM PDT
Hi Stephan,

I came across this post today, and you guys are only driving me further and further into confusion...

Not that your post was not well explained, it is.
But because of the conflicting ideas.


This is what I read from Google today:

Webmasters/Site owners Help
Creating a Google-friendly URL structure
http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=76329&hl=en

"Consider using punctuation in your URLs. The URL http://www.example.com/green-dress.html is much more useful to us than http://www.example.com/greendress.html. We recommend that you use hyphens (-) instead of underscores (_) in your URLs."

Here, Google clearly states that you should use "hyphens (-) instead of underscores (_) in your URLs"

What is the confusion here?
Why do everyone seem to keep saying different things.

Right now I'm in the process of changing all of my underscores (_) to hyphens (-), because what I have read at Google today, and my sub-domain: http://profile-generator.hi5-world.com/

Initially I also thought that underscores (_) were supposed to be used,
but I think I'd rather trust in Google.

I'd like to hear more from you on this Stephan.

Have things changed now?
or is Google just trying to throw people off the right path?

It would be good if you updated this Blog post with the latest information.

Thanks for your time,
-Andrew Emmanuel Davis
Owner of http://hi5-world.com/
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