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June 22, 2007 5:25 AM PDT

Mandriva latest to reject Microsoft

Mandriva has followed the lead of other Linux distributors, such as Canonical and Red Hat, in publicly spurning Microsoft's advances for a patent protection deal.

Last fall, Microsoft and Novell signed an agreement in which Microsoft agreed not to sue Novell for patent infringement. This agreement has since been followed by similar deals with Linux firms Xandros and Linspire.

The Windows maker claims that open-source applications infringe hundreds of its patents, but it has so far failed to specify which patents are involved.

Francois Bancilhon, Mandriva's chief executive, wrote in a blog this week that, despite rumors to the contrary, Mandriva was not next on the list for a deal with Microsoft.

"Interoperability between the Windows and Linux world is important and must be dealt with, and anything that helps this interoperability is a good thing," wrote Bancilhon, adding that "the best way to deal with interoperability is open standards."

"As far as (intellectual property) is concerned, we are, to say the least, not great fans of software patents and of the current patent system, which we consider as counterproductive for the industry as a whole," Bancilhon continued. "We also believe what we see and, up to now, there has been absolutely no hard evidence from any of the FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt) propagators that Linux and open-source applications are in breach of any patents. So we think that, as in any democracy, people are innocent unless proven guilty, and we can continue working in good faith."

Bancilhon said bluntly that Mandriva did not believe that it is necessary to pay "protection money" to Microsoft or anyone else.

His words echoed those of Mark Shuttleworth of Canonical, the company behind the popular Ubuntu distribution. "A promise by Microsoft not to sue for infringement of unspecified patents has no value at all and is not worth paying for...people who pay protection money for that promise are likely living in a false sense of security," Shuttleworth wrote in a blog last week.

Ubuntu is the most popular Linux distribution in the world, according to open source-monitoring site DistroWatch.com. Novell's OpenSuse is second most popular. Red Hat's Fedora is No. 3, followed by Debian and then Mandriva.

David Meyer of ZDNet UK reported from London.

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Put up or shut up, Microsoft
by MaLvaDo39 June 22, 2007 6:23 AM PDT
They won't show what patents are so-called infringed, and are
striking a FUD campaign to force open source partnership.

What a piece of sh** company.

Drop Microsoft technologies, don't support a predatory company
that limits choice.
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yea, like...
by zeeboid June 22, 2007 7:23 AM PDT
by your logic, you shouldn't buy an automobile also. its amazing that for some reason when it comes to software, all the rules of running a company seam to be evil. at least Microsoft doesn't force you to purchase the hardware they make also (apple anyone?)
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Um, I'm not seeing your point
by ittesi259 June 22, 2007 7:48 AM PDT
If a automobile manufacturer came to me and said "The car you make infringes 235 of our patents but if you sign this agreement we promise not sue you or the people who bought your car" my response would be the same as Red Hat, Canonical and Mandriva....until you show me exactly what I'm infringing to prove I actually am, I aint changing nothing (because we both know if I started doing it first your so call patent is null and void).
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Seems like Protection Money
by Dr_Zinj June 22, 2007 9:33 AM PDT
Yeah, that's exactly what it is. Corporate Extortion by Microsoft to not break their knees, err, cost them money and time in a bogus trial.
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Distrowatch
by qwerty75 June 22, 2007 9:44 AM PDT
Is meaningless numbers.

When legitimate news organization quote distrowatch, they at least say it doesn't track downloads or actual number of installations.

It is gratifying to see that most of the people behind the distros see this for what it is: a alst ditch, desperate effort to slow down Linux.

No one cares about Linspire or Xandros, but when Novell foolishly signed that nonsense, they harmed themselves.

Which is a shame, because SuSE is one of the best operating systems on the planet. For desktop use, only OSX can compete with it.
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Good for Mandriva - Best Strategy
by Sumatra-Bosch June 23, 2007 1:47 PM PDT
MS is probably going to assert against the non-surrendering distros and probably use some clause in the deals they have now with Novell and the legion of surrendered distros that they will try to use to compel them to join the suit or likely suite. The assertion suits have already been drafted by MS counsel in the development of the Linux-elimination strategy.

MS' plan is to divide the OS distros into two camps, sue the non-compliant crowd like Mandriva and turning Novell and Co into community pariahs.

That will throw Linux development into chaos and give Windows another 10 years as the cases wend their way through courts all over the world. While the case is proceeding, meanwhile, MS will be delivering infringement notices to every OS developer on the planet who goes near Linux.

Nice.
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Wow. He NAILED that sucker!
by ethana2 June 24, 2007 1:29 AM PDT
"Interoperability between the Windows and Linux world is important and must be dealt with, and anything that helps this interoperability is a good thing," wrote Bancilhon, adding that

_"the best way to deal with interoperability is open standards."_ ---RIGHT THERE, BABY.
Hear, hear!!!

Good job with silverlight's open spec, Microsoft. First thing you've done right in a while.
(It'll be funny when the OSS implementation will be better than M$'s own ;)
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Yeah, Not a Fan of the U.S. Patent System
by WJeansonne June 24, 2007 5:14 PM PDT
That explains it in a nutshell. Because deep down he knows that open source most likely violates patents that others thought of first, so he wants to change the rules midcourse. Nice try, but I don't buy the open source mantra of our patent system as being broken. It's suited the country well for over 200 years and has not hampered innovation one bit!
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Ther patent system IS broken
by willdryden June 26, 2007 10:10 AM PDT
Patents were set up for hardware and hardware innovations. Software is "intellectual property" and should be covered by copyrights not patents.
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