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Microsoft yielding to IE standards pressure?
March 16, 2005
In a blog entry posted Friday, a member of Microsoft's Internet Explorer development team said the company plans to support key elements of World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) recommendations Portable Network Graphics (PNG), an image format, and Cascading Style Sheet (CSS), a Web page styling standard.
"We have certainly heard the clear feedback from the Web design community," Chris Wilson, lead program manager for the Web platform in IE, said in reference to support for the PNG standard. "Our first and most important goal with our Cascading Style Sheet support is to remove the major inconsistencies so that Web developers have a consistent set of functionality on which they can rely."
While Microsoft and critics of its Web browser have focused most of their attention on IE's security liabilities, the issue of standards support remains crucial to Web developers.
Glitches in IE's standards support mean that developers have to code separately for IE and for browsers that hew more closely to the standards. IE enjoys about 90 percent browser market share despite losing some points to the Mozilla Foundation's open-source Firefox browser.
Last month, Microsoft was reported to have been planning better PNG and CSS support, but Wilson's blog entry Friday is the first public word to developers that the next version of IE--pegged as a security-focused release--would feature these improvements.
One standards proponent and Microsoft competitor said he looked forward to the proof of IE 7's standards support in the new release.
"The blog says they have fixed a few bugs. Great, but we expect more than that," said Opera Software's chief technology officer, Hakon Lie, who co-authored CSS. "The big question is: Will IE 7 pass the Acid2 test? I proposed the Acid2 challenge in a CNET article, and it has later been published by the Web Standards Project."
Other improvements said to be on tap for IE 7, currently code-named Rincon, include tabbed browsing and support for IDN (Internationalized Domain Names).
For years, developers have complained about IE's CSS bugs, and have called IE's rendering of certain PNG images "ugly."
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to be referred to as "innovation" in order to get the green light
from Microsoft's chiefs.
to be referred to as "innovation" in order to get the green light
from Microsoft's chiefs.
After putting up with that garbage year after year, do you really care if that uncle finally goes to AA? Or will you be more like "Yeah, great, I've already moved on..."
After putting up with that garbage year after year, do you really care if that uncle finally goes to AA? Or will you be more like "Yeah, great, I've already moved on..."
So, I begin to make sacrifices or figure out what hacks need to be used to get it to look right in IE.
Hopefully, I can eliminate that last step soon.
So, here's hoping MS can do it right. I'd rather code to standards and have it work in the viewer's browser of choice without worrying about browser detection or box model hacks.
Now, can someone tell me what this Mike Scarborough(sp?) guy is ranting about? Reading his replies make my head hurt. Did he read the article? Oi...
So, I begin to make sacrifices or figure out what hacks need to be used to get it to look right in IE.
Hopefully, I can eliminate that last step soon.
So, here's hoping MS can do it right. I'd rather code to standards and have it work in the viewer's browser of choice without worrying about browser detection or box model hacks.
Now, can someone tell me what this Mike Scarborough(sp?) guy is ranting about? Reading his replies make my head hurt. Did he read the article? Oi...
Why is it when I use CSS it looks exactly like I want it to in IE, but it doesnt in Netscrap or FireFox?
In my opinion, the CSS support is much better in IE than in the other browsers.
Why is it when I use CSS it looks exactly like I want it to in IE, but it doesnt in Netscrap or FireFox?
In my opinion, the CSS support is much better in IE than in the other browsers.
Why seems so difficult to grasp that?
Why seems so difficult to grasp that?
It's not like web designers will suddenly stop designing for IE 6, so all the problems that IE has with its non-support of clear W3C standards will continue for quite some time, until 95% of people have stopped using IE 6 or older versions, which will probably be in 2007 or maybe even 2008.
All because Microsoft couldn't listen to web designers 4 years ago and haven't made any real effort to adhere to the W3C standards, like Firefox, Opera, and company have.
Typical Microsoft.
It's not like web designers will suddenly stop designing for IE 6, so all the problems that IE has with its non-support of clear W3C standards will continue for quite some time, until 95% of people have stopped using IE 6 or older versions, which will probably be in 2007 or maybe even 2008.
All because Microsoft couldn't listen to web designers 4 years ago and haven't made any real effort to adhere to the W3C standards, like Firefox, Opera, and company have.
Typical Microsoft.
Anyways now IE7 is coming out with full css 2.1 support and for the next 6-7 years it will sit quietly as the world moves by? Or is this a sign that Microsoft opened their windows to the outside and found that they are left behind?
Anyways now IE7 is coming out with full css 2.1 support and for the next 6-7 years it will sit quietly as the world moves by? Or is this a sign that Microsoft opened their windows to the outside and found that they are left behind?
You had better be carefull what you ask Microsoft for.
The licensing terms via which Microsoft is planning to make available its recently announced XML file formats for Office 12 are not compatible with the GNU General Public License, open-source officials say. The result? Unless free and open-source backers are willing to risk violating the Microsoft license, they won't be able to use the new Microsoft formats. In other licensing news, Microsoft is (not too surprisingly) expecting open-source advocates to license its Indigo Windows communication and Avalon Windows presentation technologies before porting them to Unix or Linux.
or....goto the site directly....
http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,1995,1829462,00.asp?
- HA! This is exactly what I mean.....
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by Prndll
June 19, 2005 8:45 AM PDT
- This may not be CSS or PNG, but this is exactly the sorta thing that I'm talking about....
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The licensing terms via which Microsoft is planning to make available its recently announced XML file formats for Office 12 are not compatible with the GNU General Public License, open-source officials say. The result? Unless free and open-source backers are willing to risk violating the Microsoft license, they won't be able to use the new Microsoft formats. In other licensing news, Microsoft is (not too surprisingly) expecting open-source advocates to license its Indigo Windows communication and Avalon Windows presentation technologies before porting them to Unix or Linux.
or....goto the site directly....
http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,1995,1829462,00.asp?