March 6, 2007 11:29 AM PST
New iTunes version still not fully Vista-ready
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The updated version supports the upcoming Apple TV product and includes an improved album-sorting feature, but still does not fully support Windows Vista. The new download, iTunes 7.1, is available on Apple's Web site.
When Vista arrived at the end of January, Apple told Windows users that iTunes was not yet ready for Vista because of compatibility issues. In the most dire scenario outlined by Apple, users could corrupt their iPod simply by plugging it into a Vista PC running iTunes. Problems were also reported with playing back content purchased from the iTunes Store on Vista PCs, Apple said in early February.
The new version fixes several of those issues, but a few outstanding issues remain and Apple is working with Microsoft to finish the job, said Derick Mains, an Apple spokesman.
One problem that needs to be resolved is that ejecting an iPod using the "Safely Remove Hardware" icon in the system tray could result in a corrupt iPod; Apple recommends that users always eject their iPods within the iTunes software. Also, iTunes is not supported on the 64-bit versions of Vista, and contacts from the Windows Address Book may not sync properly to iPods.
More information about the remaining problems, as well as tips for getting iTunes to work properly with Vista, can be found in this document on the Apple site. Apple does not have an exact time frame for when the remaining issues will be corrected, Mains said.
Microsoft's deployment of Windows Vista has run into problems with application compatibility and driver availability, frustrating some users who have made the early move to the new operating system. Businesses aren't expected to do so until much later, after they've made sure all of their internal applications will play well with Vista.
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responsibility for insuring compatibility with the most widely
distributed audio jukebox on its platform. Don't they test this
stuff with other applications?
Most beta testers indicated that iTunes worked with Vista. But
when the final release came out, everything broke. Vista and IE 7
have been disasters as far as compatibility is concerned -- it's
the main reason why so many companies have foresworn
upgrading at the moment (along with the onerous hardware
requirements).
It's not Apple's fault that MS threw in so many land mines. I
suspect they're just as pissed as everyone else at MS's latest
"work in progress."
Unlike MS, Apple actually gives a crap about ease of use and the
customer experience.
Vista? It's not just Apple...
But really, there are sooo many other things that aren't compatible with Vista.... It's not just iTunes...
I'm fine with my XP laptop for now,
Vista has compatibility issues, but the Apple fans, rather than question if iTunes is possibly at fault, they immediately blame MS.
It could be Apple's fault, but odds are it's a Vista problem.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=268
known for responding to people who comment on your posts. You
fart in the room and keep on walking.
A question for you. Why do you believe the iPhone is vaporware?
Well, what say you?
them. In particular, you clearly have no idea what the term
"vaporware" means, though this is hardly surprising, seeing as how
your past post have clearly evinced you as horribly uninformed, if
not simply an idiot.
A PocketPC based device that doesn't crash? Now that's what I call vaporware!
Personally, I suspect most of these are Vista issues, since 1. eject from within iTunes works, so we know Apple can write code that works, 2. iTunes works great on XP, which is theoretically compatible, while Vista is a 1.0 product, 3. Apple has pretty sharp engineers, and they wouldn't jeopardize their iPod market by not fixing this stuff, while 4. Microsoft has every motivation to want to break iTunes and it's been proven (in court) that they're willing to use this kind of tactic.
But I don't have any real information either. So really, it's up to journalists to do a little more than regurgitate PR speak and report on factual information instead of just posting this kind of story.
The first comment to step back from the "holy wars" with a fairly
objective opinion. And pretty much sums it up. Never forget that
both MS and Apple are Large Corporate Entities, and they pursue
their own self interest. It is usually for to the ultimate benefit of
customers...
...but not always.
MS didn't break iTunes. In fact it sounds like using iTunes is the only safe way to use your iPod. Using the Vista method is what causes the damage.
If I owned an iPod (hell no!) I would be leary of using any MS option and would absolutely install and use the iTunes method, so this will actually drive people to iTunes, who might have otherwise not used it. (We know most iPods contain very little iTunes purchased material anyway.)
We do know that MS has gone out of their way to help software companies make Vista compatible with their applications?..why should they do otherwise. Microsoft has all kinds of FREE support options for software vendors to help them make their applications Vista ready. For Pete?s sake it was out for almost a year to the public. They had so many downloads they had to cut it off.
We also know that Apple has publicly warned people not to upgrade to Vista if they have an Ipod, and so has Symantec?.both companies don?t want Vista to succeed.
I personally think that in the case of some software and hardware vendors they use Vista as a way to exploit users into buying a new piece of hardware/software when they could easily provide a free driver or software patch. This happened to me with Nero. I had to buy a new version to work with Vista. I cant even tell what is different?visually or feature wise. Good thing I bought it off of Ebay for $6. HP is famous for not supporting printers that might be a year old by not coming out with a driver or support software for months?.hoping you will just by another printer.
This all happened with XP as well?..
http://pcworld.about.com/magazine/2003p018id78073.htm
"In fact, not supporting a new operating system is a tactic used by some manufacturers in order to get you to upgrade your current product. Microsoft released an avalanche of technical details, driver guidelines, and beta software to manufacturers a full year before Windows XP shipped in order to give them as much as lead time as possible. In a random survey of legacy (pre-2001) printer and scanner drivers available for XP, we noticed a definite support trend that favored the higher end (and higher profit) devices and left entry level models (or those commonly given away with Win95/98 PC's) unsupported?
Apple had the time to make Itunes work with Vista, they chose not too. They will fix the problem not MS?but they had to create some FUD for the script of their next lame Mac vs PC commercial. Thank God for DVR?s.
support this contention, the facts of the matter are that, first,
iTunes worked fine with the betas, which obviates your first
point, second, Apple does not have similar motivations to
Symantec, since they LOSE market by not releasing drivers, and
third, the fact that improper device syncing can trash your iPod's
directory files makes Apple's advice far from self serving,
baseless conspiracy theories aside.
As other's have pointed out, without specific information about
what is happening, your speculations regarding responsibility
are vacuous at best.
- Yet another reason (as if we needed one) NOT to use iTunes.
- You could simply count the replacement cost of your damaged iPod in the upgrades required to run Vista. You're likely to bleed money in the upgrade process anyway...
- I'm not a Vista user, but I'm guessing that P2P, BitTorrent, et al do not have the same compatibility issues. I bet they just work. I don't care if it's MS or Apple's fault, but this kind of 'screw-the-customer crap' is a huge part of the reason "pirates" still do what they do.
iTunes does not cause problems running other software, so I see no reason to not use it.
Microsoft gets slammed because Apple can't work out issues over 3 months... the article states Apple IS WORKING WITH Microsoft to get it all fixed.
So Microsoft IS HELPING Apple, go re-read before you make replies.
Also, Microsoft is "helping" Apple to fix a problem that was created by the final version of Vista. So much for Microsoft's famous backwards compatibility!
From your *Ignorant* rant, I can see you fantasize often.
For the record, ALL Mac apps work fantastically under the new
Intel chips. End of story.
I use them every day on both older Power PC and Intel Chips and
they run great.
Ask my how my PC apps do on my one-month old HP with Intel
Core 2 Duo under Vista -- Now that is another topic all
together.
d1ckwaving. Oh my syustem is better than your system. I have
more ram! My computer is older than yours and it still beats the
panst off what you have! I have a giant monitor. Oh you have
that piece of crap? I'm so sorry for you! You think I'm wrong?
You must be retarded/a shill/insane/a fanboy. MY OS IS
PERFECT! WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU!?!?!
And the funny thing is that it doesn't even matter what the
original reason is for the bickering. It always follows the same
boring inane pattern - even this post is just part of that never
ending cycle.
Progress happens, compatibilty suffers, compatibility is
regained. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
Getting upset about it is like getting upset that the wind blows
or that the tides rise and fall.
They purposely made Vista not work with iTunes.
Apple doesn't everything it can to create the best user experience, but MS does everything it can to prevent people from enjoying computers.
Wake up Microsoft!
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The saying "There is No Such Thing as a Free Lunch" couldn't be more true in the case of iTunes/Quicktime from Apple Inc.
iTunes& Quicktime for Windows contains Spyware -- software used to track usage of your computer and alter its operation. In addition, running these programs on Windows Vista can often crash your computer.
Personal information is transfered by Quicktime/iTunes, without your knowledge, to Apple computer, and its marketing partners, over the Internet.
IF YOU ALREADY HAVE iTUNES OR QUICKTIME INSTALLED ON YOUR NEW DESKTOP COMPUTER OR LAPTOP YOU CAN REMOVE IT BY GOING TO THE "PROGRAMS AND FEATURES" CONTROL PANEL (in VISTA), OR IF YOU ARE USING XP, BY GOING TO THE "ADD/REMOVE SOFTWARE" CONTROL PANEL.
How Apple's spywhere scheme works:
Since at least the year 2000, the Quicktime (and now iTunes) installer from Apple installed several programs, without the user's permission or knowledge, which permanently altered the user's Windows system.
In my case, I tried removing some of the components, but still, each time I visit ANY website that has Quicktime support, something installed by iTunes causes a couple of invisible background processes (qttask.exe and ituneshelper.exe) to get installed in my computer's Startup Programs list and launched. The claim for "ituneshelper.exe" is that it "required" for burning CD's, but it does not make sense why you need an INVISIBLE BACKGROUND PROGRAM running on your system 24 hours a day just so you can burn CD's once in a while. No other CD burning software has such a requirement.
The other program "qttask.exe" is also spyware with apparently no other purpose.
WHEN THESE PROGRAMS AUTOMATICALLY CONNECT TO APPLE'S SERVERS, BEHIND YOUR BACK, APPLE USES YOUR IP ADDERSS, AND OTHER INFORMATION TRANSFERRED TO APPLE FROM YOUR COMPUTER, TO PERSONALLY IDENTIFY AND TRACK YOU ON THE INTERNET FOR MARKETING (AND OTHER) PURPOSES.
APPLE INC. HAS A HISTORY OF SUCH ACTIVITIES AS WELL AS CASES WHERE REGULAR EMPLOYEES USED THE INFORMATION GATHERED FROM MILLIONS OF COMPUTER USERS TO STALK PEOPLE.
I have since switched to alternatives (see below), but I was still stuck with Apple's spyware for weeks before I was able to remove it.
ALTERNATIVES TO APPLE'S QUICKTIME/ITUNES SPYWARE
=================================
IF YOU ABSOLUTELY NEED TO PLAY QUICKTIME (AND OTHER TYPES) OF MOVIES, YOU CAN DOWNLOAD "VIDEOLAN" FROM http://www.videolan.org/
VIDEOLAN PLAYS QUICKTIME AND MOST OTHER FORMATS IN EXISTANCE INCLUDING DVD, MPEG ETC.
As far as music downloading service goes, there are many many alternatives including MusicMatch.com, Rahpsody.com, etc...
Napster is also back.
However, I use WMP11 for music playback.
This sucks for me because I have the cash to buy a good Vista laptop but I'd still have to use my old one.
But there is no reason you should blame Microsoft. I mean the Realplayer thing was proved to be false.
For all we know, iTunes may be the one at fault here. Come on, iTunes hate Windows Media Player. Windows Media Player has more users than iTunes.
You iPod people really need to get a playsforsure player instead. It's so much cheaper to get legal downloads with WMP11 (URGE subscription) than iTunes.
Come on, Apple hates the fact that Vista is great; it could be a conspiracy or something.
Think of all the possibilities.
If you'd remember, there was a time when there had been reports of tons of iPods that had viruses in them and can only be activated through a PC and not a Mac.
This is soooo an apple thing.
I need a new phone. lol
Vista broke it. While Apple could be quicker in issuing a fix, it is
not entirely their fault.
Have a nice day!
(It's a good thing I use a dual-boot system... XP sure won't be getting this "upgrade" any time soon, and I thought iTunes 7.0.2 was possibly the worst program I EVER saw. Unstable, horrible sound quality, didn't deliver on ANY front!)
the latest version. First, make a backup of everything. Then go
to the advanced tab in iTunes and select "Convert ID3 Tags."
Now your editing may work again.
As for the problems you are having, be sure to send bug reports
to Apple. They actually read them and work on the things that
are most serious and/or widespread. These problems you are
experiencing may be due to interaction with other programs you
have installed, but it will still help to report them.
You can also go to the Apple support forums at apple.com.
Have a nice day!
Tonight I downloaded 7.1 after being recommended by apple that it is Vista friendly but now all I get is the "audio config problem"!! I'm rather livid as it was working fine before.... is anyone aware of a fix?
import your music from the backup folder. Possible fix, yes. Easy
fix, no.
I had Itunes 7.0, and have just upgraded to 7.1
The audio config problem is presented at startup.
I cannot seem to fix it. I don'tknow about Vista, .. but there's nothing wrong with the audio on this machine. I have 4 other pro-audio apps which have no problem...
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