February 2, 2007 10:46 AM PST
Apple to Windows iTunes users: Don't install Vista yet
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The Cupertino, Calif.-based company cited a variety of compatibility issues that may cause friction between the media player software, its accompanying iPod player, and Vista. Among these problems is an inability to play music or video purchased from the iTunes Store, problems synchronizing address book contact and calendar functions, and slowed runtime. Additionally, there is a chance that plugging an iPod into a computer running Vista may corrupt the device.
Windows Vista, Microsoft's first new operating system in five years, was launched last week to consumers and is now standard on most new PCs from computer manufacturers. The enterprise version of Vista has been used by businesses since November.
The problems may not affect all Windows users, according to Apple, but they are serious enough that the company does not recommend that PC owners install Vista just yet. Within the next few weeks, Apple plans to release a new version of its iTunes software that was designed primarily to address the Vista compatibility issues; when the release is available, the synchronization issues should disappear. For the time being, a special support page is available.
According to a company statement provided by Apple spokesman Derick Mains, "Although iTunes 7.0.2 may work with Windows Vista on many typical PCs, Apple is aware of some known compatibility issues and recommends that iTunes customers wait to upgrade to Windows Vista until after the next release of iTunes, which will be available in the next few weeks." Apple declined further comment.
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If this was MS talking about the next Mac release we would have seen Mac fanboys spitting venom.
(AGAIN) all of the code to make most main stream applications
work without issues...
With MS continuously tweaking Vista till the last minute, and
them also stating that they are already working on SP1 for Vista,
it isn't amazing that some major applications don't work...
This is typical MS incompatibility issues, if you want to blame
anyone for MS Vista and iTunes not working together all nice
and happy, you don't have to look much further than Redmond...
Apple isn't saying anything different than every other vendor who writes for the Windows platform; it's new, we haven't fully updated and tested our software on it so don't rush out to get it expecting our software to work.
It does suck that Apple is both a Windows software developer and Microsoft direct competitor since they couldn't really ask the Windows iTunes owners to wait without it looking bad.
Still, I don't think it's a sleazy tactic to slow sales of Vista (Vista is doing that all on it's own). It's simply a Windows software devloper saying "our current version doesn't work with the new windows, we're working on it but please give us bit to get it out too you."
It has nothing to do with the Microsurf vs Cult of Mac BS flamewars.
And now I'll leave you...the good people of CNet to determine who i am insulting here.
Get with the program Apple and everyone else who is now claiming that their software will not run on Vista. You had over a year to get your software ready!!!
Vista will not be deployed 89% or 90% the day it is released. In fact it will take quite some time for it to reach that.
While Apple hasn't released an update they eventually will and at this point in time Vista is a very small percentage. Most old computers are not even Vista compatible since it requires a lot more resources then XP. I plan on not upgrading for a long time. I currently use XP and am happy with it. I ordered a laptop and it will come with XP. No need for Vista using all my computer resources. I buy an OS so I can run applications that I need.
that every pc user is going to rush out and upgrade to vista
immediately? The majority of ordinary pc users will carry on
using XP until they change their hardware and buy something
that has vista preinstalled on it.
It's not like this is the first time this has happened - I remember
upgrading to XP SP2 causing incompatibility issues. Just because
it's an Apple product doesn't mean that it must be deliberate.
You could equally look at it as a deliberate ploy by microsoft to
try and encourage people away from ipods and towards the
zune....
own Zune had problems for a couple of weeks.
CNET Story
http://news.com.com/Microsoft+makes+Zune+Vista-friendly/
2100-1041_3-6145116.html
And, yes, Zune had this problem when Vista was released to businesses in November. But not when Vista went on sale for Home users.
Most businesses don't want portable media players connected to their hardware, so it was no big deal for them. No businesses complained.
But, not being able to connect your iPod to your HOME computer because Apple (or anyone else) hasn't upgraded their software yet just is NOT cool. Especially when you consider that they were so many chances to do so.
Apple is sitting back having a chuckle at Microsoft, trying to ding early sales of Vista.
Not that Microsoft is above doing anything different.
If Apple really cared about its customers, it would not force them to wait to buy Vista or a PC with Vista in order to use thier product. This is either a pathetic ploy to delay Vista adoption or pure procrastination on thier part.
If Apple really cared about its customers, it would not force them to wait to buy Vista or a PC with Vista in order to use thier product. This is either a pathetic ploy to delay Vista adoption or pure procrastination on thier part.
Apple is sitting back having a chuckle at Microsoft, trying to ding early sales of Vista.
Not that Microsoft is above doing anything different.
iTunes on windows.
ALL third party developers get peeved when OS updates break
their apps. They have a right to be. They had a piece of software
that used to work fine and now they have to do a bunch of extra
work.
Apple, on the other hand, at least provided Rosetta so that MS
Office would work on the new intel macs. Of course sometimes
they do break things with OS and hardware updates, and then its
their 3rd party devs that are complaining..
and sometimes even security upgrades -- can break
applications.
My organization's web site content manager was developed
based on MS's .NET platform, and required IE to run. But IE 7
broke it. Had to undergo a very non-intuitive "backgrade" to do
my job.
I don't think Apple's foot-dragging on this one -- an update
within a week doesn't seem that bad to me.
I do agree that the "don't update to Vista" line is an unnecessary
thumb in the eye. But it also wouldn't surprise me to learn that
the incompatibility was, itself, an intentional thumb in the eye of
Apple.
iTunes for Vista repair tool 1.0
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/itunesrepairtoolforvista10.html
Obviously Microsoft does not want anyone to use iTunes or iPods anymore, so let's design Vista to not allow for this "dissention among the ranks" by the WinPC people using iPods.
Banned from Redmond One, now banned from desktop PC at home...
No, were not a monopoly.
The bug is about the paid music and also you can understand the
frustration of users when their paid stuff doesn't play.
That Apple technology and Microsoft Technology seem to not mesh is hardly surprising nor is it a rare or remotely unique situation. 90 percent or more of Ford parts won?t work in my Chevy?. Hell, 90 percent of Chevy parts won?t work in my particular Chevy?.. Why do we, as consumers, assume that we can yank the foundation out from under our house, shove in a bigger one without breaking a few glasses or cracking some mortar?
First, let?s quit thinking of operating systems as software? an operating system is a utility basement, wires, plumbing, valves, much unsightly stuff that enables us to do things upstairs cleanly and smoothly , say tweak the knob on the pretty little thermostat, rather than shovel coal to warm up our house? That way, thinking of OS?s as infrastructure, utilities, rather than as an application, we would not be so quick to change them every time a shiny stainless steel model comes out? Only change the utilities/furnace/septic/AC when you NEED to, or when it financially makes more sense than upkeep on the old model?. What drives the consumer market for a new OS, since when has a new OS version actually added significant speed or versatility?
If you have MS OS, why are you purchasing an ipod, and running
iTunes? Why not run what will work great on your machine and
OS?
Zune, creative & Rapsody or what ever other music service?
According to some of the post I have read, some of these people
are making just silly statements for no other reason than to
make them. If you hate apple so much.., why do you own a ipod
or itunes? If you don't own a ipod or itunes..., why do you care?
As for me..., yeah I could be considered a Apple zealot, but that
is because I have a vested interest in Apple by owning stock.
However, every good investor always covers the table..., and I
own MS stock as well. But like any religious fanatics, I know they
will do what it takes to support their cause, which includes
paying $500 for a cell phone. Me..? No way..., I'd love one, but I
will stick with my cheap cell phone. However I'd be happy If a lot
of people bought the $500 cell phone to raise my stock.
But I digress..., If you are using a MS OS..., use a zune or
creative device with one of the multiple music services, and you
will more than likely have less issues with your system..., not
unless you just have to be hip and accepted to have an ipod and
itunes and hope that it works with the MS OS. Until then..., Just
wait a couple of weeks on the update on iTunes.
Pick what you like and use it.
I do.
If a 3rd party vendor is unable to get their applications working with vista in a timely manner, that is NOT microsoft's fault.
As MANY have said already, Microsoft releases beta's for all vendors to use to be able to get their software up and running.
And don't give me this 'oh microsoft changed Vista at the last minute to break 3rd party applications'. Thats not the way it works.
Microsoft will release an API with a defined and STATIC interface - what that means is your application see's the OS as a black box with instructions on how to use the features of that black box. You don't really care how the black box will execute its functions to provide those features to you. Those instructions may change in the early betas, but once you get to Release Candidates they will not.
As for hardware drivers? Um since when is Microsoft responsible for creating those? Microsoft takes it upon them seleves to include SOME hardware drivers, but that is not their responsibility.
So this is a case of Apple either screwing up or just taking their sweet time on releasing the appropriate upgrades for their software to work on Vista.
And by the way, did my mention how BAD apple is at porting their software to run on windows - ask me why I threw away my iPOD and bought a zune?
And yes I am a devloper who works on Microsoft products.
you are biased.
Microsoft will release an API prior or as the RTM version of the
OS is to come out, but there is no guarantee that the API in
question will still 100% work when all the security patches that
are released after the RTM version of the OS has been burned to
DVD and published for release...
The same thing has happened with Apple, and OS X and quite a
few games out there. When they changed from 10.3 to 10.4 and
even some upgrades from 10.4.2 to 10.4.3 or anywhere in
between an API that worked with 10.4.2 won't work with 10.4.3
because of the way a security update has disabled a function, or
whatnot.
So don't BS people here and say that MS holds no responsibility
for what has happened... MS holds a majority of all
responsibility, especially when it comes to software development
of 3rd party applications, for the lack of updated, or APIs in
general to the developers at all, can cause programs not to work
when a new revision of an application, or part of an operating
system comes out, and MS doesn't release the API till after the
fact.
And I may not be a programmer any more, but I do know about
programs, not to mention that I am a director of software
development, and a CEO of a game software company.... I hear
more complaints about MS and their lack of support for
developers for Vista APIs have come out since the RTM version
of Vista was authorized.
Market share, market share.
It's a little different when the roles are reversed, isn't it.
It would be cool if Vista would pop up a dialog box asking users for the user name and password to run an application as /su instead of just crashing.
ignorance and nothing else.
Thanks iZune for revealing your true nature.
Now got back to your rock . . .
Sounds like the sheeple out there who had to be on the bleeding-edge are the ones to blame, not Apple or MS.
- Purposely planned by Apple...
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by whizkid454
February 2, 2007 8:11 PM PST
- to slow the amount of upgrades to Vista. Apple...Protecting their futile market share.... :( Pretty sad.
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by Matthew R.
February 2, 2007 10:35 PM PST
- Microsoft owns 90% of the market, Apple owns less than 10%, who
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- Slowed the amount of upgrades?
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by ServedUp
February 3, 2007 5:59 AM PST
- Purposely planned by Apple? Thats absurd, you only need to
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by Solaris_User
February 3, 2007 8:47 AM PST
- Apple has been slowing the "upgrades" to OS/2 for a long time to protect there futile market share.
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- The more people running Vista, the better OS X looks.
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by ralfthedog
February 3, 2007 8:50 AM PST
- Apple wants everyone to upgrade.
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I'm sorry, I thought the definition of a monopoly was over 65% of
the market, not under 10%... odd... oh, and BTW, the way things are
going, Market pros are starting to say that Apple's market share
may go up by over 10 to 15% more market share after Vista and
10.5 are compared next to each other...
look in their own backyard as Zune isn't even compatible with
Vista either (or if it is now, it wasn't from the beginning.) Truth
is upgrades do take time and Apple has many iPod customers
expecting a quality upgrade.
And Apple doesn't want to sabotage Vista, thats just an insecure
assumption built on MS Fanboyism. But Microsoft will sabotage
Vista on its own, just wait and see.
Also Markeshare isn't an effective marker for success. BMW &
Porsche have a small marketshare and yet they are considered
high performance automobiles as compared to just a regular
everyday Ford (which you can alternately view as the PC Market.)
What I'm getting as is.. they don't have to support a platform. Especially one with as few users as Vista.