January 5, 2005 6:30 PM PST

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Gates taking a seat in your den
LAS VEGAS--Bill Gates is coming to your living room, whether you like it or not.

Microsoft's chairman is setting the company on a course to provide software and tools that will allow different forms of entertainment to blend. Messaging will become a crucial part of Xenon, the code name for the next Xbox. Microsoft will also work with television outlets like the Discovery Channel and MTV Networks to create tools for delivering content, as well as advertising, into the home.

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Bill Gates, chairman, Microsoft

Its eyes ever set on the competition, Microsoft will continue to raise the stakes against Apple Computer in the music industry and against Google and Yahoo in search.

Meanwhile, Microsoft Research is working on ways to reduce the cost of getting people in emerging nations hooked on the Internet. One idea: Mesh networks that will let several families share connections.

Gates spoke with CNET News.com on the eve of his keynote speech at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas about Microsoft's consumer plans, the convergence of entertainment technologies--and why he hasn't done a blog yet.

Q: The industry's been talking about convergence for years. The first products have come out, so what's next? Interoperability--is that the next challenge?
A: Well, there's a lot of that going on. For us, the key convergence product is the Media Center PC, which is the idea of that single remote control giving you the best TV experience, music and photos but also the full power of the PC, and we've got lots of partners who keep signing on to Media Center and doing neat things. We'll show some Discovery Channel stuff in the keynote. We have a new relationship with MTV where they're using our rights management and formats, and we're connecting it to the Media Center.

Apple is a company that's had three hits, and that's very impressive. There are a lot of companies that don't have three hits.

And so there is growing momentum with partners, growing momentum with the hardware. The price of Media Center PCs came down a lot, which is partly why we were able to double our sales this holiday. We've got some new remote controls from Philips and others.

And so you fill out the ecosystem, you get the people who install these systems to understand how they do the customization, you get the word of mouth going, and so I'd say we feel great about where sort of the centerpiece convergence device is and the peripheral things happening around it.

How are the different entertainment and media industries going to be affected by these changes. For instance, it seems like advertisers are really impacted.
Well, there's a thing that we can do for the advertisers that is critical for them, which is to allow the advertising to be targeted. That's what you've seen with our IPTV (Internet Protocol television) effort--companies like SBC Communications signing up for that--and we've got BellSouth as a new partner there. With that infrastructure, even for people watching the same show, you can insert just in a perfect way an ad targeted to that individual.

And the value of targeted advertising is really twofold. First, it means that the person is less likely to want to skip the ad, and second of all, it means the chance that they'll actually do something--buy something.

And so the new TV infrastructure will be about very targeted advertising. Advertising is taking on new forms. Obviously, in the search space, we're doing neat things with advertisers. No doubt, it's not going to stay the same as it is today.

What changes does this mean for Microsoft? Do you see yourself becoming, let's say, more of a seller of content?
Well, the most explosive piece of content this holiday season was "Halo 2." We sold 6.3 million copies, we've had 69 million hours of online game play. And so is Microsoft a content company? Well, I'd say "Master and Commander" is good--people have talked about how the story made them cry--that's content, but it's also software.

The boundary there has always been a bit gray. Our main role is to provide the platforms and the tools, and simply partner with the content companies like MTV and let them do what they're good at. It's mainly in this interactive realm that we need to come in and do some complete content ourselves.

One of the big phenomena of the year has been blogging. Has the growth surprised you?
Well, actually I think the biggest blogging statistic I know, which really blew me away, is that we've got close to a million people setting up blogs (Web logs) with the Spaces capability that's connected up to Messenger.

We didn't do Xbox just to do a video game, we did it to be part of our vision of the digital lifestyle, and with the next generation, we really get to go there.

Now, with blogs, you always have to be careful. The decay rate of "I started and I stopped" or "I started and nobody visited" is fairly high, but as RSS (Really Simple Syndication) has gotten more sophisticated and value-added search capabilities have come along, this thing is really maturing.

And we've done some things in Japan and Korea that are unique blog experiments. The Spaces thing is a worldwide effort. It's a great phenomena, and it's sort of built on e-mail, and so we need to integrate more blogging capability into the e-mail world--and as we do the next generation of Outlook, you'll see that. We need to integrate it more into our SharePoint, which is our collaboration Office platform, and then, as I discussed, MSN is embracing it so that instead of thinking about, "OK, I go to one community to do photos, one community to do social networking, one community to do this," we say, "Hey," off of Messenger, which has got your buddy list already, then, "Let's let you do the photos and the social networking and everything--but starting in an integrated way off of Messenger."

Which ones do you read, if any?
Well, it's interesting, I get a lot of people--and this is very typical for me--I get people who are forwarding things on to me, so I sort of have

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sounds familiar
by jltnol January 5, 2005 7:40 PM PST
Hmmmmm

Just because someone says something, be it Bush or Gates,
doesn't make it true.

"Iraq has weapons of mass destruction"

"Well, no one invests more in security of their browser than what
we do on IE"
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The Personal Computer is DYING
by Gayle Edwards January 5, 2005 9:17 PM PST
You know, several years ago numerous industry-people, and consumer-watchdogs started pointing to Microsoft's "Trusted Computing initiative" (and the "X-Box", ...the first true iteration of that "trusted" ideal), and stated that Microsoft's eventual goal was clearly the virtual death of the "Personal Computer", ...as it was known.
These people stated that Microsoft's final-goal was to fundamentally redesign the PC to be nothing more than an, entirely Microsoft-controlled, delivery-system for "rented content", -where even the hardware obeyed Microsoft, not consumers.
These people also predicted that, eventually, all consumer-choice would eliminated, by this fundamental redesign, because it would leave no room for any product or service not sanctioned, and licensed, by "...the holder of all the keys", ...Microsoft.
These people were, at best, ...ignored, or made fun of. At worst, these forward-looking critics of Microsoft's actions, were actively attacked and demonized.
Now, Bill Gates freely admits that the "X-Box", in Microsoft's vision, is the computer of the future. Furthermore, he bluntly states that Microsoft's goal is, in fact, for the entire electronics-industry to finally, exclusively, adopt Microsoft's concept of,

...Microsoft Hardware (the locked-down "Trusted Computer"),

...Running Microsoft software (a Microsoft OS and Microsoft-allowed applications),

...which Microsoft can change or disable at any time ("Automatic-Updates" without choice)

...using Microsoft DRM (which cannot, under any circumstance, be controlled by consumers),

...to deliver Microsoft-chosen content (thanks to MS-DRM and mandatory MS-Licensing),

...over Microsoft-controlled networks (since Microsoft's "Trusted Computing" is already being implemented by network-hardware companies, in order to, "...protect the Internet, and other important networks"),

...all of which, by the way, would have to be 'perpetually' paid-for by the consumer (remember Microsoft has been claiming for years that consumers don't actually own the products they have bought).

And, thanks to the recent extensions of "Intellectual Property Rights" (which most people are finally realizing is little more than an underhanded-charade), ...the imposition of such anti-consumer concepts as "computer-use as a Service" (not a 'tangible' product-sale) is now steadily moving within Microsoft's grasp.
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Well, well, well
by January 5, 2005 9:20 PM PST
Bill Gates needs to stop saying "Well" at the beginning of his answer to almost every dang question.
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Keep on dreaming Bill
by January 5, 2005 9:21 PM PST
Bill you have lost your touch. Firefox is simply the best browser. It is for keepers. Not for trying out.
No More Microsoft!

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Very Nice
by simcity1976 January 5, 2005 9:27 PM PST
interview.

To me it seems Mr. Gates is more in touch with the world today then I thought before. Be interesting to see what microsoft will do for the industry in the next 10 - 20 years.
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Irony
by January 6, 2005 12:32 AM PST
Gates is equating those who want to reform IP and patent rights as communists? What a joke. This coming from someone who want to be the central system of everything.

How he can say that people who want all business to operate and compete on a level playing field are communistic is a sad statement. Of course Gates doesn't want a level playing field, MS would be shoved out or at least severely marginalized out of nearly every market they are in.

The only good thing that MS constantly produces is comedy.
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nice comment
by aabcdefghij987654321 January 6, 2005 12:52 AM PST
A really nice comment by Ben Goodger (one of the lead guys working on Firefox) over at his blog regarding Bills' reply to question about other browsers http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/ben/archives/007237.html#trackbacks

And to Bill: sure Bill, you have many great ideas in mind regarding IE and that should be the reason why you kept them for more than 4 years and security updates was the only area innovations have occured on.

/Donny
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MS Media Center Blue Screen Of Death at CES 2005
by Llib Setag January 6, 2005 1:00 AM PST
What really happened during Citizen Gates CES Media Blitzkreig:
SF Gate News article / Associated Press AP:

Bill Gates touts 'digital lifestyle,' despite technical bugs

RACHEL KONRAD, AP Technology Writer
Wednesday, January 5, 2005
(01-05) 21:19 PST LAS VEGAS (AP) --

Despite suffering technical glitches that prompted jokes and
guffaws, Bill Gates promised Wednesday that Microsoft Corp.
would help millions of consumers stay seamlessly plugged into a
world of digital music, movies, video games and television
shows.

But while promoting what he calls the "digital lifestyle," Gates
showed how vulnerable all consumers -- even the world's
richest man -- are to hardware and software bugs.

During a demonstration of digital photography with a Nikon
camera, a Windows Media Center PC froze and wouldn't respond
to Gates' pushing of the remote control.

Later in the 90-minute presentation, a product manager
demonstrated the ostensible user-friendliness of a video game
expected to hit retail stores in April, Forza Motor Sport. But
instead of configuring a custom-designed race car, the
computer monitor displayed the dreaded "blue screen of death"
and warned, "out of system memory."

The errors -- which came during what's usually an ode to
Microsoft's dominance of the software industry and its
increasing control of consumer electronics -- prompted the
celebrity host, NBC comedian Conan O'Brien, to quip, "Who's in
charge of Microsoft, anyway?"

Gates, who was sitting next to O'Brien on a set staged to look
like NBC's Late Night set, smiled dryly and continued with his
discussion.

Gates also announced several partnerships with
telecommunication companies such as SBC Communications Inc.
and television networks.

Microsoft and music network MTV last month inked a deal that
will eventually allow people to send cable programs from rock,
pop and country music channels and Comedy Central to their
laptops, hand-held computers and other devices.

Although he accepted guffaws from audience members in the
theater, the technical hiccups didn't prompt Gates to engage in a
hard-hitting analysis of computer reliability and security.

It will likely take Microsoft years to understand the consumer
electronics market and produce simple, glitch-free products for
consumers' living rooms, analysts say.

"Microsoft was founded by programmers and is still run by
programmers, and the bias of programmers is that software can
do anything," said Paul DeGroot, an analyst at Kirkland, Wash.-
based Directions on Microsoft. "While Microsoft's goal is to turn
the PC into a superhub that does everything -- plays music,
works as a cell phone, stores your photos -- they're running up
against the fact that most people buy discreet components that
do particular things."

This was also announced on Channel 4 KOMO News - ABC in
Seattle, WA. as well...

Redmond, we have a problem...
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Taking potshots at the wrong guy
by kakman1 January 6, 2005 3:47 AM PST
We all know how easy it is for us to pick apart Bill Gates when he gives these interviews to CNET. How is it the reporter doing the interview did such a lousy job? Bad job Mr Kanellos, your readers shouldn't have to do your job for you. And I'mnot saying you should attack Gates and treat him like "the enemy" like most of the responders to this article have done, but you should act tougher, don't allow yourself to be charmed and don't let him off the hook with softball questions and allow him to use you. They maybe the biggest company but don't allow yourself to treated like a shill.
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Patents and communism?
by January 6, 2005 5:34 AM PST
"I'd say that of the world's economies, there's more that believe in intellectual property today than ever. There are fewer communists in the world today than there were."

Excuse me? Is this an implication that communists are the main people against government-granted monopolies that disrupt the free market economy? Yes, such as (software) patents?

And how does this compare with the fact that the EU commission is trying to jump through hoops currently to please Microsoft, among others, and disregard the will of the democratically elected parliament in the software patent issue?

I don't like to underestimate Bill's intelligence, therefore I must conclude that he's simply talking PR bull. And, in the spirit of respecting his intelligence, I must also assume that we both know that him resorting to reality-challenged communist rhetoric is rather desperate.

First they ignore you. Then they fight you.
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If MS Media Center had TIVO built-in, I'd buy it
by cooklaw January 6, 2005 5:59 AM PST
One of the best features of Media Center could be its DVR functionality. However, with the cable and Sat companies providing free DVRs then it negates the benefit. However, the frustrating thing about all the DVRs except Tivo is that they don't record your programs when the programs change times. IF MS Media Center could integrate true Tivo set and forget technology then I think it would be a clear differentiator.
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Surprising given Microsoft history
by January 6, 2005 8:40 AM PST
Microsoft could not be where they are today would the current IP laws have applied when they first sold a license to MS-DOS (Q-DOS) to IBM.

In fact, would the IP laws have been the same as they are today, some of us would today be running Wordstar and Visicalc on Altair computers, but most of us would still only be able to dream about using a computer.

The IP laws have been reformed since and are still in the process of becoming more and more restrictive. The so-called communists that Gates refers to are only trying to reverse this in order to bring back the balance that allowed the whole industry to exist in the first place.
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Sounds like Brown Nosing to the RI/MPAA to Me
by Jonathan January 6, 2005 9:51 AM PST
"There are fewer communists in the world today than there were. There are some new modern-day sort of communists who want to get rid of the incentive for musicians and moviemakers and software makers under various guises. They don't think that those incentives should exist."

Hmm sounds like Billy boy is brown nosing to the RIAA and MPAA. I mean instead of talking about fair rights he basically called anyone who wants to restructure IP rules communists. Lovely. It also suggests the mindset of where Microsoft will prob take DRM in Windows in the future. e.g. Favor the big corp's agenda rather then fair use to the end user.
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Don't you see what's happening here?
by January 6, 2005 10:03 AM PST
Gates is setting everyone up to take another microsoft beating. They don't want to be the movie studio, they don't want to be the record producer, they don't want to be your telephone company. What they do want is to insert some DRM'd freedom sucking licensed technology between you and every transaction you make (and to take a percentage every time you do/see/get ANYTHING).

Look at the "get your pictures printed" wizard in Windows XP - it's the way that MS wants everything working in the future. XP sees that you've plugged in your digital camera and offers to get prints of your pictures ordered. The software grabs the photos, and ships them off to one of 3 photo developing labs, you enter your credit card number and *poof* you get your pictures delivered in about a week - and Microsoft gets a nice kickback for every picture developed (that's why the MS photo developing partners are so much more expensive than other online photo labs).

Right now you have a choice about who does your photo developing, but with each revision of Windows it will become more and more difficult to make your own choices.

I predict that in future products MS will allow you to buy DVD movies from some on-line retailer at a discount much deeper than the going rate, but you'll have to pay a $2 "viewing fee" every time you play the movie back (and you'll only be able to play it in MS DRM'd machines). It'll all be very slick, and you'll hardly notice as your cerdit card bill gets bigger and bigger every month and more and more "services" are added to your PC/Media Center/Game console.

There'll be people that might think it's just great - and that's fine for them, but I think that myself and a lot of other people see which way things are headed and have already chosen to abandon MS's vision of the future. We've chosen to secure our own freedom of choice. We'll use Linux, BSD, and Macintosh systems that are all free of Bill's "vision".
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communism???
by Not Bugged January 6, 2005 10:55 AM PST
So anyone who thinks that information should be free is a communist? if i dont want to use WMP and IE and then pay microsoft to 'fix' the problems that are inherent in these flawed pieces of software then i want to destroy america? bill gates just wants more money. nobody wants 'targeted ads' on their xbox. with all the free open source alternatives that exist why would anyone want to use a propritary ad filled program that only exists to sell them crap they dont need? if i want to buy something then i will. i dont want some company trying to trick me into thinking that i need something that they want to sell. does that make me a communist? do i torture ploitical prisoners in my basement if i listen to a song without giving some record company more money that they use to bribe one of the 5 companies that owns most of the media in this country to play their songs? there is a whole system set up to keep you stupid and afraid so that you are easier to control and they can get you to buy their crap that they sell. anyone who doesnt like it becomes a "communist" or "unamerican" or an "evil dooer". it sickens me that people are stupid enough to fall for this.
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terrorists
by Scott W January 6, 2005 11:40 AM PST
if anyone who doesn't want to use Microsoft Products is a communists, does that make anyone who makes competitive products a muslim terrorist?
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What happens in MSVegas, stays in MSVegas...
by Llib Setag January 6, 2005 12:30 PM PST
Fun times at the CES 2005 with Citizen Gates & Conan...

http://vnuuk.typepad.com/ces/2005/01/gates_keynote_t.html

http://www.vnunet.com/news/1160317

I'll wait for Shorthorn 2006
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Gates MS-Media PC Crashes & burns at CES 2005
by Llib Setag January 6, 2005 1:17 PM PST
As per slashdot web page & CES / MS video presentation of Citizen Gates CES Keynote....
(entire keynote unedited by C/NET)

http://games.slashdot.org/games/05/01/06/1337228.shtml?tid=109&tid=211
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If Bill wants to sit in my den...
by January 6, 2005 4:14 PM PST
he'll need to move at least one of our three iPods, step over the
power cord to my iBook, call my husband away from our 21"
screen iMac, and pull the children away from their Flower Power
iMac...

People ask me all the time who I call for home networking and
the blue screen of death...I tell them to call Steve Jobs in
Cupertino, CA. He's the best "computer guy" that I know...
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communists?!?!?
by rdean January 6, 2005 7:14 PM PST
Bill seems like a bright enough guy, but occasionally he says things that are just so wrong-headed it's baffling (ala "640k ought to be enough for anybody"). However, knowing that Bill is a militant capitalist (indicated by statements to the effect of "the only incentive to create is money") at least makes it possible to understand where the statement comes from.

If Bill really believes that the proponents of Intellectual Property Reform are communists, he's stupid. I don't believe he's stupid. I think he wants to protect the revenue stream from Windows Media DRM, so he's going to disparage anyone who would undermine the need for draconian DRM schemes.

Just because someone believes in Intellectual Property Reform does not make them a communist. Intellectual Property Reform is overdue.

- It was designed to protect small inventors from larger companies who would copy inventions and undercut the small inventor's selling price, thus eliminating any hope of them being able to profit from their invention. What we have today is a bunch of big companies (Microsoft and IBM being the two gorillas) being granted patents on "Method for converting oxygen to carbon dioxide" that they then turn around and use as a bludgeon against small inventors. Furthermore, some patents are written without the claimed invention having been realized (thus it wasn't invented so much as imagined). These problems undermine the value of patents as protections of new and useful *inventions*.

Beyond that, there is the fact that the patent system is not just about enriching the inventor. The other side of the coin is that it is also about advancing the state of the art. At least in the realm of new technology, the USPTO is woefully understaffed to be able to make the kinds of assessments to reliably determine what inventions constitute an advance in the state of the art and are therefore worthy of patent. James Gleick once wrote an article "Patently Absurd," which I remember mainly because it included a description of a patent that a gentleman had received on entertaining a cat with a laser pointer. I don't think I need to say more than that.

- Copyrights seem to me to be less problematic than patents, but they still need some work. The framers guaranteed copyright protection in exchange for the release of the work to extend the sciences and useful arts. The recent enactments affecting copyrights, DMCA and copyright term extension, both create new problems (including prohibitions on getting into things to see how they work and the possibility for interminable copyrights) while trying to solve valid concerns.

The intellectual property system in the U.S. needs more than tweaks, and I'm not a communist for believing that.
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